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[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > 'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of

> nowhere

> > - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL.

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> I think they've been around a while (I made an

> oblique reference to them a couple of months

> ago...

> https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?

> 20,1833347,1999858#msg-1999858), the 'epic march'

> stunts have been very good, especially the one

> where Farage is on the bus...

Apparently the march yesterday went over the Middlesborough Transporter Bridge.

But it was closed.

And no-one told them.

[JohnL]

Actually the march is quickly becoming a farce. Less than 100 and harassed by remainers (and the signs) all the way.

Farage has gone too.

[Angelina]

Farage will not be walking the full 270 miles, no. He did say he'd walk 100 of them, which is commendable.

It would take around 10 full days non stop to walk the full distance.

Eddie Izzard is our famous long distance person of note :-)

[Blah Blah]

Reports that around 40 Tory MPs are telling May that they will only vote for her deal if she resigns by the end of April and states as much at the dispatch box (not that she has u-turned on anything she has said there before of course).

Meanwhile, the third vote might be postponed. She is cutting it fine.

[Angelina]

she's relying on that.

pity - should be relying on robust content

not to worry - it's only everything at stake.

[JohnL]

She's offered up Olly Robbins head.

The woman has no shame.

[diable rouge]

John Bercow, the Common speaker, is making a surprise statement to MPs.

He says there has been much speculation about another meaningful vote.

On 13 March Angela Eagle, the Labour MP, asked if it would be proper for the government to keep putting the same motion to a vote.

He says MPs from both sides of the House, and from both sides of the argument, have expressed their concerns to him their concerns about MPs voting on the same thing over and over again.

Erskine May, the parliamentary rulebook, says an issue that has been decided in substance cannot be brought back to the Commons.

As much as I'd like there to be no more meaningful votes, if Bercow prevented one via Erskine May, it would give Brexiters ammo to say it was a Remainer conspiracy etc, and we'd never hear the last of it.

Then again, fook it, I'm past caring about Brexiters and their blame gaming...:)

[diable rouge]

Wow, he has ruled about another vote on the same deal, needs to be a substantial change.

Think I'm gonna break into that popcorn I stockpiled...:)

[JohnL]

I've never really seen anything like this.

Bercow's given up on a peerage from this PM LOL.

[diable rouge]

He's going for the statue outside Parliament instead.. :)

[robbin]

It's hardly surprising that Bercow made that ruling - the rules are clear. It is an absurdity to keep voting on the same 'deal' without any change being made. It's not like a further referendum (although I don't support one)- that could be said to be a different vote because previously there was no actual 'deal' being put to the electorate. There is a logic to a new referendum which is entirely absent on this issue of a Parliamentary vote.

There's no democracy involved in simply making people vote again on something which has already been (massively) rejected. The only thing that is changing is not the substance of the 'deal' but the level of 'blackmail'/pressure as the clock gets (seemingly deliberately)run down. That's not democracy. It's a similar principle to that which engages when a party tries to re-litigate an issue which has already been decided by the court. That course would be prevented by issue estoppel or the doctrine of res judicata. Basically it is an abuse of process to keep on asking for the same thing to be adjudicated upon (having not accepted the decision first time around).

[robbin]

I agree though - it is definitely a popcorn moment.

[JohnL]

".. There are ways around this - a prorogation of parliament .." Solicitor General

That's perhaps one of the few things that could turn the 23rd March nasty.

[Lowlander]

Only they don't have the majority for a Queen's speech to re-open parliament :-)

[JohnL]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Only they don't have the majority for a Queen's

> speech to re-open parliament :-)

Oh that's the plan prorogation and new session - at least it's not prorogation full stop.

Just a few more Tories peeled off and they certainly wouldn't especially if the new Queens speech was just Mays deal. Dodgy ground.

[diable rouge]

As David Allen Green succinctly puts it...

The sound of @RobertBuckland, the Solicitor-General, claiming there is a "constitutional crisis" is the sound of the constitution working.

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Yeah it is going to get even more brutal. Government have though declared intent to now ask for an extension this afternoon, so the ERG are not getting their way in any form.No deal is officially dead.

Bercow has basically nipped May's efforts to blackmail her party and the DUP in the bud. And he has done it for the integrity of Parliament over personal privilege (and peerage). Yes it is controversial, but these are extraordinary times.

[JohnL]

She's creating a backstop - another one.

She hopes to agree with the EU that if her deal passes somehow there's a short technical extension of A50 and if her deal doesn't pass the UK falls into the backstop of an longer extended A50 until her deal passes or we come up with something new.

[JohnL]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Bercow has basically nipped May's efforts to

> blackmail her party and the DUP in the bud. And he

> has done it for the integrity of Parliament over

> personal privilege (and peerage). Yes it is

> controversial, but these are extraordinary times.

All Hail John Bercow - the only guy in politics I remember from university politics (he was right wing then)

[Spartacus]

Is it all hail John Bercow?

With his ruling that MPs cannot be repeatedly asked to vote on the same question in a Parliamentary session, and the fact that the vote for a second referendum that occurred last week was rejected, then does his ruling also preclude a new vote on a second referendum in this parliamentary session ?

It may well be by supporting one course of action, he has closed off another 😱

[teddyboy23]

He's one of the EUs bitches smug little c..t

[JohnL]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Is it all hail John Bercow?

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> With his ruling that MPs cannot be repeatedly

> asked to vote on the same question in a

> Parliamentary session, and the fact that the vote

> for a second referendum that occurred last week

> was rejected, then does his ruling also preclude a

> new vote on a second referendum in this

> parliamentary session ?

>

> It may well be by supporting one course of action,

> he has closed off another 😱

Some are saying that - but I think that as an amendment it isn't the same - I'm sure Bercow said something along those lines. I think the best chance of a vote at the moment lies with the Kyle-Wilson amendment to any deal.

But the truth is I don't know :)

[JohnL]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> He's one of the EUs bitches smug little c..t

When I was in KCL he was always around as a leader of the Federation of Conservative Students and was a right wing libertarian.

https://conservativehome.blogs.com/torydiary/2006/07/the_federation_.html

He then allegedly met his wife and changed (I remember his reply to the question about having a B*ll*cks to Brexit sticker on his car - he replied "Its my wifes car").

[teddyboy23]

Or as George Osborne once said I doubt there have ever been this many egos in a room since bercow dinned alone

[JohnL]

Chaos at James Goddards trial (over the Soubry affair). All his friends shouted at the judge then got into the dock with him. Judge walked out.

Contempt or will they just let it go ?