Polluting vehicles

[uncleglen]

And more recently

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/antipollution-squads-to-target-london-drivers-who-leave-engines-idling-a3267351.html

Although over the summer I witnessed several 4x4s with their engines idling around school pick up time outside Heber Road school

Lots of money used...what is there to show for it?

[Sue]

bels123 Wrote:

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> This might also be of interest, for anyone wanting

> to actively try to tackle it - they run action

> events in 15 boroughs including Southwark in

> partnership with local council - provide training

> and then pair people up to approach car drivers

> idling to try and encourage them to change their

> behaviour.

>

> https://idlingaction.london/

Thank you for that.

I will definitely check it out.

[Jennys]

A large coach this afternoon with the engine running outside Alleyns School. The coach was marked as being from the university of Greenwich, Avery Hill Campus and the reg number ended BMO. The driver was using an iPad or tablet. There were no passengers.

[Nigello]

Jennys, I hope you said something. All it takes is a polite "please can you turn off the engine?"

[singalto]

A mini cab driver sat in his car with the engine running for a good 15 minutes outside my house this morning. Horrible and such a waste of money.

[uncleglen]

singalto Wrote:

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> A mini cab driver sat in his car with the engine

> running for a good 15 minutes outside my house

> this morning. Horrible and such a waste of money.

Don't worry he'll get his money back...

Was it FH62 BYB?

That is the cab that was outside mine for about 15 minutes a week or so ago

[Nigello]

Likewise, Singalto - what did you do about it there and then? (Perhaps you did and just chose not to tell us the outcome.)

[ECJ]

There is a campaign to encourage people not to leave their engine idling - see https://idlingaction.london/ (LB Southwark is one of the boroughs taking part). They sometimes run action events where they target an area with lots of people leaving their engines running, and handout leaflets about the harmful effects of this.

(It's illegal to leave your engine idling unnecessarily - see https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/stopped-parked-engine-running-idling-breaking-law-police-fine)

[Sue]

Not much point it being illegal if there are no sanctions and no policing of it.

Much like the 20 speed limit :(

[Siduhe]

Reminded of this thread as I'm sitting at the bus stop by Harris Boys school with an empty coach (Coaches Excetera) parked up blocking the actual bus stop where the driver has just refused to cut his engine off as "he needs it running for the children". FFS.

[Sue]

Siduhe Wrote:

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> Reminded of this thread as I'm sitting at the bus

> stop by Harris Boys school with an empty coach

> (Coaches Excetera) parked up blocking the actual

> bus stop where the driver has just refused to cut

> his engine off as "he needs it running for the

> children". FFS.

Needs it running for the children?

What on earth does that mean, if there aren't any children on the coach?!

[mrsps]

Someone having a snooze in The Gardens today while I went to the dentist - had their engine on when I arrived and still on half an hour later. I wish I'd been more courageous and asked them to switch it off!

[BrandNewGuy]

"Southwark Council looks set to introduce fines for drivers who leave their vehicle engine running whilst idle, in a bid to cut air pollution."

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/southwark-council-will-introduce-fines-drivers-leave-engines-idling/

[uncleglen]

We can all console ourselves with this

https://www.airqualitynews.com/2016/02/16/higher-air-pollution-health-risk-inside-car-study-finds/

[solar]

Does that include the council's own parking enforcement cars which leave their engines running for ages?!

[DulwichFox]

We now have a new charge pending The 'D' Diesel Charge. an extra ?7.35 per hour for Parking an Diesel vehicle in the Congestion Zone.

So That's the Congestion Charge + the 'T' Charge + the 'D' Charge.

Once you have Parked up, you are not Polluting so why be charged extra per hour on top of normal parking fees.

The motorist is an easy target.

DulwichFox

[rendelharris]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> We now have a new charge pending The 'D' Diesel

> Charge. an extra ?7.35 per hour for Parking an

> Diesel vehicle in the Congestion Zone.

>

> So That's the Congestion Charge + the 'T' Charge

> + the 'D' Charge.

>

> Once you have Parked up, you are not Polluting so

> why be charged extra per hour on top of normal

> parking fees.

>

> The motorist is an easy target.

>

> DulwichFox

In order to dissuade owners of the worst polluting cars not to use them in the congestion zone. It's a deterrent rather than a revenue raiser.

[Sally Eva]

Sue Wrote:

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> Not much point it being illegal if there are no

> sanctions and no policing of it.

>

> Much like the 20 speed limit :(

You are right. We all know this. Drivers ignore the law unless there's a policeman behind them.

Why is this? We don't steal each others possessions unless there's a CCTV camera in the living room. The Daily Mail doesn't condemn law-enforcement and burglar alarms as "war on the naturally light-fingered"

[Sue]

BrandNewGuy Wrote:

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> "Southwark Council looks set to introduce fines

> for drivers who leave their vehicle engine running

> whilst idle, in a bid to cut air pollution."

>

> https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/southwark-cou

> ncil-will-introduce-fines-drivers-leave-engines-id

> ling/

Excellent!

[Nigello]

I wrote to Caroline Pidgeon, asking her what GLA is doing about idling cars. It was tabled on 7/11 and there has been no reply to me, probably because there has been no reply to the question itself. She told me I would get one eventually.

[Nigello]

I wrote to Caroline Pidgeon, asking her what GLA is doing about idling cars. It was tabled on 7/11 and there has been no reply to me, probably because there has been no reply to the question itself. She told me I would get one eventually....

[uncleglen]

ECJ Wrote:

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> There is a campaign to encourage people not to

> leave their engine idling - see

> https://idlingaction.london/ (LB Southwark is one

> of the boroughs taking part). They sometimes run

> action events where they target an area with lots

> of people leaving their engines running, and

> handout leaflets about the harmful effects of

> this.

>

> (It's illegal to leave your engine idling

> unnecessarily - see

> https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/s

> topped-parked-engine-running-idling-breaking-law-p

> olice-fine)

Politicians can all talk the talk- much like Khan's 'ban' on woodburners (which in fact was Boris's idea originally). Some people will do what they want to do- they are selfish and have no manners.

A friend returned to the UK after 20 years in Malaysia and said we have all sunk to the lowest common denominator and promptly went back there

[uncleglen]

This week

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/news/2018/jan/southwark-launches-new-anti-engine-idling-enforcement

The council REALLY should tell their own workforce not to leave engines running. A Southwark Cleaning Services vehicle was in the Sainsburys car park last week with its engine running for at least 10 minutes whilst the 2 occupants- the driver was a big bloke with a ginger beard, were busy on their mobile phones- it was not even COLD on the day!

[Sue]

The other night, quite late, I opened the window because the sky looked a strange colour and I wanted a closer look.

The smell of pollution was absolutely dreadful.

It seems to me that the situation in London is almost as bad now as some places I went years ago when I was travelling, when some groups of tourists were wearing masks to cover their noses and mouths, for example the outskirts of Kathmandu.

ETA: I have asthma, and I am seriously considering whether I want to continue living in London.

[moondancer]

Sue do you read the GuardianObserver Environment section?

There was an article on thursday 1st citing Brixton Road as having breached the annual legal limits by end January.

with other data and descriptions.

I am on my iphone and cannot supply a link, sorry.

The Veolia lorries leave the engines running when outside the little nursery on CPR and the awful

smell seems to linger - perhaps leafless trees provide no absorption

Lordship Lane with three and a half buses going each way regularly creates a toxic tunnel. Yet people sit outside enjoying the fresh air

We are in a basin in London harbouring fumes and pollution - you can

feel the difference in the air quality when in woods, or anywhere elevated, Crystal Palace, Greenwich Park or Primrose Hill, from where it is possible to see the mast at Crystal Palace rising some mornings out of what appears to be grey cotton wool.

I opened a window late evening a couple of nights ago, moongazing, and smelled an acrid unpleasant smell and wondered if anyone was burning something noxious on maybe a woodburner, or incinerator - perhaps the same olfactory

experience.