London moped gang jailed for 18 yrs

[Caesi01]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/notorious-moped-gang-who-targeted-100-victims-in-16day-rampage-across-the-capital-jailed-for-18-a3656436.html

[Sue]

That's eighteen years in total for all of them.

Not eighteen years each, sadly.

[uncleglen]

hopefully the 2 teenagers will get some kind of education in the young offenders

[Seabag]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> hopefully the 2 teenagers will get some kind of

> education in the young offenders

Some kind?

[Blah Blah]

They will be out in 2-3 years and no doubt terrorising the public again. Laughing and joking during a sentencing hearing shows how little regard they have for what they have done.

[DulwichFox]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> hopefully the 2 teenagers will get some kind of

> education in the young offenders

They will probably be put on some Motor Cycle /Car Repair course costing thousands of ????'s

(Something decent kids Never get the opportunity to do.)

Give them Nothing. No point spending money on bad 'Machines' They will just abuse it.

DulwichFox

[JohnL]

They sound very immature - not sure how you deal with that, at least separate them.

"Evening Standard editor George Osborne was among those who fell victim to Parkinson's crew"

I feel so sorry for him.

[uncleglen]

Seabag Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

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> > hopefully the 2 teenagers will get some kind of

> > education in the young offenders

>

>

> Some kind?

Oh yes- I forgot about the other kind...

[Earl Aelfheah]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

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> > hopefully the 2 teenagers will get some kind of

> > education in the young offenders

>

>

> They will probably be put on some Motor Cycle /Car

> Repair course costing thousands of ????'s

>

> (Something decent kids Never get the opportunity

> to do.)

>

> Give them Nothing. No point spending money on bad

> 'Machines' They will just abuse it.

>

> DulwichFox

I wish that were true (at least there'd be a chance of them doing something more productive when they get out). Sadly, I suspect they'll get an education in further barbarity and general criminality.

[DulwichLondoner]

Caesi01 Wrote:

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> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/notorious-mo

> ped-gang-who-targeted-100-victims-in-16day-rampage

> -across-the-capital-jailed-for-18-a3656436.html

"A former special constable chased after the mopeds in his Maserati"

Former special constables can afford Maseratis???

[malumbu]

Loads of uninformed comments, well done, like reading the Daily Mail.

Yes the system is failing, and maybe they will re-offend. Having friends who have worked with offenders both inside and out of prison, occasionally things do work.

[JohnL]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Loads of uninformed comments, well done, like

> reading the Daily Mail.

>

> Yes the system is failing, and maybe they will

> re-offend. Having friends who have worked with

> offenders both inside and out of prison,

> occasionally things do work.

the fact they were giggling and laughing maybe means they aren't hardened criminals yet and there is hope.

[robbin]

Really John? Is that what you glean from the fact that the defendants were openly joking and giggling in the Crown Court throughout their sentencing hearing (as the Court was played video of several of their robberies including one where a woman's earring was ripped out)? That's a good sign?

I'm afraid in the real world its a sign that they are hardened to the Courts and don't give a monkey's, or have any respect for the Judge and are not afraid of going to prison. I suspect if you worked in the legal system and regularly witnessed the attitude of quite a number of those convicted of robberies like this, you would not be quite so naive. They didn't just start committing crimes just this last year, obviously!

[robbin]

It is widely reported that they all had 'numerous' previous criminal convictions starting in their early teens and were also at the time of their robberies subject to criminal behaviour orders (and so were apparently completely unconcerned about those as well).

[JohnL]

I hoped it meant they were very immature - maybe wrong (:

I'd separate them by 100s of miles and work on them (even brainwash them) individually - although whether the system can do that is unknown to me.

[robbin]

Unfortunately the system wouldn't (because in reality it can't).

[DulwichFox]

Mopeds used in these attacks are often stolen so offenders are untraceable.

Mopeds have been stolen at knife point.. Moped 'Gangs' have used acid to steal bikes.

This is part of a Massive crime spree.

If these crimes were being carried out by 'Religious Extremists' they would be treated as Acts of Terrorism.

Which is in effect what they are, and need to be treated as such.

4 years (out in 18 months) is not enough. Realistic sentencing is needed. In a Hard place.

These people are dangerous.

DulwichFox

[JohnL]

If this was committed under the "soft" Labour government (David Blunkett Home Secretary) they'd probably get an IPP for this.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/15/imprisonment-for-public-protection-what-is-an-ipp-prisoner-6851756/

[uncleglen]

JohnL Wrote:

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> I hoped it meant they were very immature - maybe

> wrong (:

>

> I'd separate them by 100s of miles and work on

> them (even brainwash them) individually - although

> whether the system can do that is unknown to me.

I would imagine that due to Human Rights issues they will be incarcerated somewhere near where their families can visit them

I remember a 15 year old at my school printing off his mug shot from the Met Police Most Wanted site after the Zampa Road trouble and disseminating it everywhere- he was PROUD of it.