citizenED Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Another study suggesting that breastfeeding has positive outcomes for babies. Here Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ... I was bf and I'm particularly badly behaved! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuppa tea Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Honestly, who funds this type of half baked scientific research? Laughable and annoying. What are they talking about "better behaved"...clingy is considered bad behaviour now? I breastfed my son till he was 2.5 years. He is a total live-wire and needy most of the time!!The are just dredging up research to back up an opinion. You could do it the other way round. I bet they could find plenty of 'badly behaved' (whatever that means) breastfed babies. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergolden88 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 While I am all for breastfeeding how do the researchers qualify or even check good behaviour? Did they follow all those baby test subjects daily for 5 years? I know a few children who are real terrors and they were breastfed for over a year. I know several who were bottlefed and they are just as bad (or as good).I think the home environment and way both parents raise their children may be more influential than breastfeeding with regards to behaviour. But I am too tired to make any worthwhile comments here. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 The behaviour was judged by the parents themselves ... It was about whether they reported their child to exhibit certain characteristics at 5Thing is maybe mOthers who breastfed are more tolerant if clinginess Nd therefore reported it less, you know Interesting but I always find I want to know a lot more about the actual research in these studies you know? It's the statistician in me I guess Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 like with a lot of these studies, it's quite hard for them to show how much is down to the actual breast milk, how much down to the act of bfing and how much down to the circumstances/inclination of the parents ie incidental. So I take with a pinch of salt. I did like the NCT response - nice to see. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnewromantic Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 To save posting a long reply, I've blogged about this at www.BeckyBoooo.wordpress.com. It's my first blog, but like Fuschia the statistician in me could not be held back. I'd really appreciate your feedback. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 What did the nct say? If I read it I hVe forgotten Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Interesting blog onr and I also checked the abstract and noticed the sSme points as youI don't think you do yourself any fVours by using the phrase breStapo thoughI almost didn't bother reAding further Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnewromantic Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Point taken Fuschia. Thanks for reading it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 '...Brestapo' *giggles - logs on to blog* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I don't know why you think that's funny sailsGenerally speaking I don't call other people nAmes ... Gave it up when I was about 7 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergolden88 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 So the headline on the BBC should say something like "Breastfed babies better behaved or so their parents think"And I find Breastapo funny. Because I am weird that way. Due to being breastfed no doubt Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnewromantic Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Fuschia, meant to ask you. When you looked at the abstract, did you see the figure .67 (with a large 95%CI around it). Did you work out what that .67 was referring to? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Sorry, not NCT - Royal College of Midwives:The Royal College of Midwives welcomed the findings and said they added to the evidence that breastfeeding was better for babies.Janet Fyle from the RCM said it was vital women had enough help and support from midwives to help them keep breastfeeding.But she said it was important not to over-emphasise the study's results."We must not send a negative message to mothers that they have failed, or make then feel guilty because they bottle-fed their babies," she said.- Just thought this was nice and balanced. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDmummy Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Was this research funded by anyone? Wary researchers mind! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 liked that blog post ONR Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Fuschia Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I don't know why you think that's funny sails> > Generally speaking I don't call other people nAmes> ... Gave it up when I was about 7... i was just playing Fuschia - a joke about my bad behaviour... deary meis there a link with bf and a sense of humour? hmmmmm... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnewromantic Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Thanks BelleThe abstract is hereNOTE: This research compares term children who breastfed for 4 months or longer, with NEVER breastfed children.The results state The associations between exclusive breast feeding and abnormal SDQ scores were similar to those of any breast feeding and abnormal SDQ scores.No-one is saying that breastfeeding doesn't have many advantages. After all, it's natural and organic and unprocessed and we've all accepted that's better. But this research does not show the vast differences that you might infer from some of the headlines.I have to say though, I disagree with Belle about the RCM comment. If I came home from school with a bad exam result, and my mum had said "The last thing I want is for you to feel like you've failed" I'd have waved bye bye to my self-esteem.And (as I said on another thread) it's great that support's available to help mother's continue to breastfeed. But where's the support to say it's okay to stop! Because according to this research, ANY breastfeeding is good. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 No it compares children still receiving breastmilk at 4m ( not necessarily exclusively ) with those never bfHowever those NEVER breastfed might have other features as a cohort ... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I read the RCM comment as 'not breastfeeding does not equal failure' - but see what you mean maybe not helpful to even use the word failure. I just felt it's nice to see at least a nod in that direction instead of the 'this is what's best, let's not refer to any other scenario' position. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 > > ... i was just playing Fuschia - a joke about my> bad behaviour... deary me> > is there a link with bf and a sense of humour?> hmmmmm...Usually I have quite a sense of humour but I am getting thoroughly fed up with the way it seems to be acceptable to make snide remarks at breast feedersIt's bad enough the formula companies spending millions on advertising but I feel like they are managing to get women to do their dirty work and it's really depressing Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnewromantic Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Fuschia, you're right about the breastfeeding at 4m being not necessarily exclusive. But the research has excluded from the 10,000 the 3492 who breastfed at the start but stopped before 4 months. And it doesn't take away from the fact that it was 6.5% of breastfed children who had abnormal behaviour scores. If 30% more of the NEVER breastfed had abnormal scores, that's still only 8.5%.I'm surprised they had so many who never breastfed (3292). Either that's more common than I'd assumed, or they ensured that they had a good number in there when they selected the sample. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwod Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 It makes me want to know what the participants reasons for, and for not breastfeeding were. If they had separated the bottle feeders into those that didnt b/f because they never thought about it or couldnt be bothered, and those who tried but their nipples fell off,( Ok I exagerate) I bet the behavioural traits would be explained by having better or less informed parents, rather than the method of feeding. Also I object to the notion that bottle fed babies miss out on closeness with their parents, I think researches must believe bottlfeeders do it at arms length, when infact we snuggled up with the best of them, and they got to enjoy that special feeding closeness with their Dads too!Incidentally, Of my four, (all fed differntly) the one purely bottlefed one is the most confident, and the one that got a year of b/feeding is a little monkey. Same parents, social circumstances etc etc though. They should use me for research!!!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Fuschia Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> > > > ... i was just playing Fuschia - a joke about> my> > bad behaviour... deary me> > > > is there a link with bf and a sense of humour?> > hmmmmm...> > Usually I have quite a sense of humour but I am> getting thoroughly fed up with the way it seems to> be acceptable to make snide remarks at breast> feeders> > It's bad enough the formula companies spending> millions on advertising but I feel like they are> managing to get women to do their dirty work and> it's really depressingreally? i stopped bf after 5 weeks (of hell) it had absolutely *nothing* to do with formula companies. Really nothing to do with them, tbh i hadn't even heard of 'SMA' or whatever the other ones are called. I assumed i'd bf, just as i was bf. I never took any notice of formula food adverts - i dont remember ever seeing any tbh.And i've not met anyone who 'failed', like i did, say it was anything to do with anything other than the various nightmares people had with tongue tie, latching on, hungry baby, weight loss etc etcAlso, no one here is making snide comments about bfing mums - why on earth would they? But i think we have a right to have a pop at anyone that is militant with their views. It's just the british way at approaching annoying, self righteous people. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/17186-breastfed-babies-are-better-behaved-says-research/#findComment-434733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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