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Jeremy

Jeremy

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maxxi Wrote:

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> Have to admit though that I am not aware of a similar group of Korean films

> so perhaps you could tell me what they are?


I'm afraid I don't know either. I was assuming Fabricio had some kind of nerdy in-depth knowledge of martial arts movies.


Ong Bak is a good call though, regardless of origin.

Alec John Moore

Alec John Moore

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Seven Samurai


Great story weaving many themes around the samurai code and class difference in medieval Japan. Honour, duty, male bravado, heroism, bravery, stunning, and believable, martial arts skill and amazing battle scenes. Tragedy, love interest, humour. I must watch it again.

Jeremy

Jeremy

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Fabricio the Guido Wrote:

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> I supposed the issue with Old Boy and (Taekukgi)

> is whether they are purely martial arts films.


I still maintain that Oldboy (good as it is) is not even partially a martial arts film.


A martial art is (or is rooted in) a codified/traditonal system of hand-to-hand combat. Oldboy features crude brawling, learned by shadowboxing and punching the wall.

Fabricio the Guido

Fabricio the Guido

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Martial art ingredients ( feel free to add further points)


1. Traditional principles of martial arts, philosophy and techniques, monkey, dragon, shoalin monks, bushido,samurai, ninja.


2. Weapons: swords, blades, assorted objects used to inflict pain and death, but excluding guns, so a yakuza film with no guns might be included.


3. Plotlines : revenge, training / culminating in a a final showdown. (KIll BILL!)


Old Boy has all three elements as the fight scenes included a mix of hand to hand combat and brawling.

northlondoner

northlondoner

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mockney piers Wrote:

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> Has anybody seen Windtalkers? I challenge anybody

> to name a worse war film or worse acting than

> Nicholas Cage in that one.

>

> Although admittedly Captain Correli's Mandolin and

> Nicholas Cage once again both come close.

I can trump that. The modern remake of Wicker Man featured some of the worst acting ever committed to celluloid ... chief culprit .... Nicholas Cage. Most ludicrous scene must have been Cage slugging Cathy Bates..in a bear suit.

*Bob*

*Bob*

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Basically he's doing a Michael Caine.. the desire to 'do good work' seems to be overridden by the desire to keep working, stay busy, take what's offered and get paid.


I think he'll have a critical renaissance at some point, when he finally winds-up in something decent - probably in supporting rather than leading, as Caine does now.

*Bob*

*Bob*

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Rita really feels like an adaptation from stage when you see it now. The working class life / student life thing is done in such broad strokes it's all a bit risible.


No-one sits on lawns and earnestly discusses the book they just did in class. They go to pound a pint nights and come home with traffic cones on their heads.

mockney piers

mockney piers

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It is all a bit "yes poor poeple are terribly gauche you know, but give them a bit Tolstoy and the results are quite encouraging, they even attire themselves in appropriately comfortable accoutrements. I wouldn't give them the vote or anything, but it stops them puking on one's shoes of a stroll down Leamington High Street. What's that, they have the vote, well I never..."
Otta

Otta

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david_carnell Wrote:

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> He is certainly an actor who features at each end

> of the spectrum

>

> Good

> Raising Arizona

> Leaving Las Vegas

> Bad Lieutenant

> Moonstruck

> Bringing out the dead

>

> Bad

> Windtalkers

> 8mm

> Ghost Rider

> Wickerman

> Captain Corelli's Mandolin

>

> Who the hell knows

> The Rock

> Con Air



Agree with most of that, but I thought 8mm was a good film.

red devil

red devil

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mockney piers Wrote:

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> It's back on stage as it goes. I saw the writer

> barking on about how relevant it still is and i

> just thought 'hmmm, not so much'


it might become relevant again once the effect of the ?9k a year fees kick-in...

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