Russian aggression - what to do?

[rendelharris]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> True, nothing wrong with doubting authority etc,

> it's to be encouraged, but supplanting it with

> conspiratorial whataboutery kinda undermines it...

As mentioned above, if the mildest suggestion that our government may have got things wrong, or that it's at least worth investigating alternative explanations, is to be classified as conspiracy theorism, that's a very sorry state of affairs.

[rendelharris]

flocker spotter Wrote:

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> It was the russians, this is not really moot,

> despite the dots being joined by conspiracists.Its

> a message, delivered by the means of grim

> performance art. it isnt a messsage directly

> however to the UKG, this is a secondary issue- it

> is also message for the home audience about

> betrayal and reach. It is directly aimed to the

> Russian expat community here- those that still

> have favour and hold Vlad the poisoners assets.

> His wealth is loosely estimated to be hundred of

> billions, none of it in his own name.

>

> Its a crass slavic re-enactment of the horse head

> in the bed scene if would wanted to express it in

> digestable popular culture terms. things are are

> rarely as complex as they may look.

It must be great to be you, so certain, so right, so utterly and ineffably pompous and arrogant.

[flocker spotter]

It is a cross i have to bear

[rendelharris]

In the words of Tom Waits, "Come down off the cross, we can use the wood."

[JohnL]

The problem with Theresa May is - imagine we only ever heard one side of the argument on Brexit and the EU didn't say anything - We'd think it was great, going superb, negotiations progressing well, a deal imminent. Remember that she didn't want a running commentary.

She's authoritarian and secretive by nature, and surrounded by people who think it's OK to lie to parliament (yes you Ms McVey). So I take everything her government say with a little pinch of salt and look at the evidence for myself (which in this case still points at Putin)

[JohnL]

Oh and this cabinet is so so trustworthy - they are apparently all having their phones confiscated today.

If Theresa May doesn't trust them ... why should I ?

[diable rouge]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> As mentioned above, if the mildest suggestion that

> our government may have got things wrong, or that

> it's at least worth investigating alternative

> explanations, is to be classified as conspiracy

> theorism, that's a very sorry state of affairs.

I'm sure you'll get over it Comrade...

[rendelharris]

Yes I am indeed one of Putin's fifth column, determined to undermine the nation by mildly querying the official party line on a local forum! Don't tell anyone though, it's a secret...

[diable rouge]

Double bluffing...that's sooooo pre-Glasnost

[malumbu]

It's all gone very dull on the forum. Maybe everyone's on holiday. Anyway US taken sanctions against Russia for the chemical attack on the UK. Trump hasn't tweeted to protest so it all must be true. Stuff that up your pipes and smoke them you conspiracy theorists!

[diable rouge]

Trumpy usually Tweets against the truth...

[Alan Medic]

I suspect that in both the US and the UK there has been plenty of 'distraction' politics going on. Why would the US do this now is what I'd like to know?

Strange this happens on the same day a 'source' claimed the Trumps received over 3.6 billion paid in two instalments by the Saudi's to renege on the Iran nuclear agreement. You'll find it on twitter @TrueFactsStated if you're interested.

[malumbu]

There are two Americas, one continues as normal, diplomacy, the rule of law etc.

The other is Trump's. There will be relations between the UN, the Foreign Office, US Foreign policy and Counter-terrorism. I don't see the timing of this being suspicious.

Others may.

[diable rouge]

Trumpy reminds me of Biff in Back to the Future 2, holed up in his tower throwing hissy fits. Where's our Marty McFly to save the day?

Was looking for an appropriate image, seems like it's true!...:)

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/23/back-to-the-future-writer-bad-guy-biff-was-based-on-donald-trump

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Trumpy reminds me of Biff in Back to the Future 2,

> holed up in his tower throwing hissy fits. Where's

> our Marty McFly to save the day?

>

> Was looking for an appropriate image, seems like

> it's true!...:)

> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/23/back-

> to-the-future-writer-bad-guy-biff-was-based-on-don

> ald-trump

But how - they'd need a time machine - edit: and even the article is two years old - yet they still knew... amazing