East Dulwich in October Living Etc mag!!

[Alan Medic]

Thanks for that Mr.Ben. I've got 4 walls featured in my bedroom. I'd be in deep sh*t if I didn't.

That's an interesting thought. I've lived here 20+ years but I wouldn't have a clue how to measure the value of the place. I still call the 7-11, well the 7-11. I know it isn't anymore. The changing of shops and pubs have passed me by. I reckon though than there are more now I would never go into, than there were when I first moved here.

[Alex K]

Right hand up -- I used to be a yuppie. Now, however, I'm old.

[BQC]

ED has been in Livingetc at least twice in the last 5 yrs in my on off subscription so calm your feathers people

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Bugger. Must paint over white floorboards.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> ED probably peaked in my estimation a few years

> ago, but the demise of Inside 72 and the arrival

> of Adventure Bar was something of a tipping point.

> (I still quite like it here though).

There was something about that particular change which did seem to be indicative of a more general shift to a more homogenous, slighty more predictable area. Still like ED, but Camberwell, Peckham, New Cross etc all a more exciting. Doesn't mean that they're nicer areas to live. Just that nights out there tend to be a little more surprising, arty or spirited.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Inside 72....the memories. Would think a place like that agian would do well, but that is only based on my somewhat hazy and once naked escapades in there.

[Tarot]

E.d has changed theres more knobs moved to the area now so fox is right,and judging by the amount of restaurants and the

food stalls on North cross road, it will be full of obese people soon.

The magazine is junk mail advertising services nothing special.

[peckhamasbestos]

I've got painted floorboards

I can't afford the carpets!!

[Asset]

Of course, it used to be all fields round here you know...... Much better then, just the odd farmstead and grazing cattle.

[northlondoner]

I have lived in ED for four years and broadly speaking think it's a great place to live. It can be a bit like planet of the MILFs if you're here in the middle of the day ( all the hubbies at work as the mums take the afternoon air ) but its largely speaking a civilised happy place - much more so than most places in London. But a friend of mine who operates a local coffee shop has complained of an influx of braying clapham types - rude abrasive and arriviste . The fear is that as the area grows in popularity the more clapham it may become . But I am hopeful ED will survive the insidious influence of the waitrose brigade. Pip pip!

[edhistory]

> East Dulwich has been around roughly since the 1870s

EDF Rule 1832.

[DulwichFox]

Saxon Dulwich

967 - Edgar the Peaceful granted Dilwihs to a thane named Earl Aelfheah. Dilwihs meant 'meadow where the dill grew'.[

Medieval Dulwich

1066 - King William I of England is owner of Dulwich, taking the land from King Harold II of England

Lordship Lane was the boundary of Dulwich Manor with Friern Manor.

1340 - The hamlet of Est Dilewissh was sold to John Leverich by William Mabuhs

1868 - East Dulwich railway station opened as Champion Hill Station

Source:-

Here

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

The Thane of Aelfheah had a Waelfheah.

[edhistory]

DulwichFox:

Don't rely too much on Wikipedia as you may get some wrong information about East Dulwich history.

That 967AD charter of King Edgar is nearly always misquoted. The text of the charter is here.

As you can see

[1] it has nothing to do with East Dulwich.

[2] very little to do with Dulwich.

If anyone wants to take this further they will need to pay for a scan of the two surviving copies and check the transliteration.

John K

[lina]

East Dulwich ? the district bounded by Lordship Lane to the south and west, Peckham Rye and Forest Hill Road to the east and East Dulwich Road to the north ? is the finest example of 19th century suburbia in Southwark.

It was a classic suburban development: built over a relatively short period of time; aimed at a particularly narrow target market; managed by a specialist development company; dependent for success on the availability of public transport; and largely intact today.

The area was transformed from fields and market gardens to housing in the period 1865 ? 1885 by the development of two estates. The area between Wood Vale, Barry Road and Lordship Lane was part of Friern Manor Farm, a large dairy farm, while the area to the west and bounded by Lordship Lane, Barry Road and East Dulwich Road was part of the Bower-Smith estate. Friern Manor Farm was bought by the British Land Company, which then sold it as 200 building plots. Builders were attracted by the proximity to London, the hope that homes would be easy to let to residents attracted by being in an entirely new development, and by the availability of good transport.

Transport played an important role with the coming of railways to Herne Hill in 1862, West Dulwich and Sydenham Hill in 1863 and East Dulwich and North Dulwich in 1868. Cheaper fares beginning in the 1880s further stimulated demand and the arrival of the tram along Lordship Lane, Dog Kennel Hill and Peckham Rye in the early 20th century sealed the area?s success.

The houses were aimed at socially mobile members of the lower middle classes - typically London clerks - and the new population was largely one of young families. They largely preceded services such as shops (which developed along Lordship Lane), places of worship (such as St Clement?s, Friern Road, built in 1885), and education and leisure facilities (Dulwich Baths dates from 1892).

Although built at the same time and aimed at the same market, the houses display a remarkable sense of variety of style, from the simplicity of Nutfield Grove to the flamboyant Victorian Gothic of Barry Road.

BLA BLA from IDEAL HOMES: A History of South-West London SUBURBS

[edhistory]

EDF Rule 1832

[lina]

Oh YEAH !!!

[edhistory]

'fraid so.

The Ideal Homes web-site has some excellent pictures, but you need to be very careful about the text.

I'll just take one example from the extract you've cut and pasted.

Within the incorrect description of the East Dulwich area by Ideal Homes Dyos managed to indentify five estates.

John K

[edhistory]

And the key to the Dyos map extract:

5] Bowyer-Smijth [sic]

6] British Empire Mutual Life Assurance Company

16] Edmond's

17] Friern Manor Farm

30] Worlingham Road