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[gary]

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[Alex K]

Try to use it; perhaps it will mitigate what the uncharitable might call "theft of services".

It wasn't your card that you presented; you were travelling at a discounted rate to which, lacking such a card of your own to present, you had no right; you should have had your own card but...

But you didn't, and instead of paying full fare and then attempting to reclaim the difference between that and the sum that you would have been charged had TFL done its job properly, you perpetrated a fraud.

**takes black cap from beneath bench in readiness to pronounce sentence**

I'm not sure that your appeal will be granted.

[Penguin68]

I am afraid their mal-adminstration doesn't trump your intent to defraud. If you had paid anything towards your card and they had cashed that payment then you might have had a better case (at least in mitigation) but, in practice your best position would have been to have paid but kept record of the payment and asked for a refund based on their failure to process your card application properly (had they done so you wouldn't have incurred the cost you are reclaiming).

But that is very much after the event.

As this is a summary on-the-spot fine you shouldn't (probably) pick up a criminal record - get it out of the way quickly would be my advice.

[gary]

Bit over the top isn't is -FRAUD its not CSI - criminal record.

Its only a transport for London fine,which could of been avoided if they had been avoided if they had done there job properly and granted if in had paid full price and claimed it back later, nut i shouldn't have to !

We get discounted cost because we cant work full time ! i am entitled to this discount and would have paid the same price with my oyster card.

[Loz]

I am assuming you were using a Travelcard on the Oyster, rather than pay-as-you-go? If so, I doubt you'll get anywhere with an appeal.

[urbanpixie]

was it a photo oyster card? I would assume so because otherwise you wouldnt have been caught.

I had a massive fight with TFL last year regarding their utterly useless customer service, I eventually managed to get ?20 compensation out of them for messing up my oystercard refund.

I had to go to the public transport obusman (sp?) to get it and I actually felt that ?20, after suffering their incompetance for over 3 months, was insulting!

anyway - the point of all this is, you probably won't be able to appeal the fine but you can complain to them about your original oyster card and if you complain enough you might get some compensation!

[zephyr]

I think the point is that you used another persons card to gain a discount. You only have the right to the discount if you have your own card and present it for use to get that discount. You do not have an automatic right to the discount without a valid card even if you are a student.

Technically it is fraud but TFL would not take it to court due to costs etc. However failure to pay the fine would leave you with a potential court case.

Would an appeal work... if I was looking at it, it would be a fundimental no (even though I know my boys have done the same)

It is almost the same as those who deliberately do not touch in and out at stations that don't have barriers. I have seen many people being slapped with a fine at Elephant and Castle for not touching in at Nunhead.

[DulwichFox]

When I got my Oyster Card yonks ago i did not have to fill in any details, so my card is not associated

with any person...

Was told filling in details was just in case card was stolen or lost and not a requirement...

Card still works..

Have things changed now.

Fox.

[Loz]

I think it has always been the case that you had to register if you wanted an monthly or longer travelcard.

[zephyr]

For dicounted rates and for longer travel cards you have to have a photo id oystercard.

Normal oyster cards don't need to be registered but if you use it a lot it is very helpful to register online and set up auto top-up