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[RosieH]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> Lets think, Manchester, bound to be some more

> pluses that the usual ones quoted, they gave us

> Elbow, first album was terrific and I've liked

> most of their output since, though still a bit

> confused as to how and when they had National

> Treasure status bestowed upon them.

>

> Badly Drawn Boy, the Verve (ok, black mark there),

> I was rather partial to the Inspirals back in the

> day and quite liked their new stuff on Music 6

> recently. A Guy Called Gerald, one of the better

> ones from that era/genre.

Oi, Pibe! Elbow - Bury. Verve - Wigan. Formby - Wigan.

I suppose we all look the bleeding same to you!

Pshhht.

And Strafer, you were agreeing with all that Quids had to say, who said,

I'm gonna side with Atticus at a general level (not Radio 6). Mancs banging on about their unique contribution to music

So you know, pshhht.

Yeah.

[Huguenot]

"Oi, Pibe! Elbow - Bury. Verve - Wigan. Formby - Wigan.

I suppose we all look the bleeding same to you!"

Isn't that a bit like saying "London? I'm from Southwark!!"

[El Pibe]

Aren't you all Geordies, Mancs, Scousers or Yorkshiremen oop there (see what i did)?

[Huguenot]

Or in fact, EXACTLY like it ;-)

Metropolitan County of Great Manchester

http://www.gmts.co.uk/images/maps/countymap.gif

[El Pibe]

Kind of, though I don't think they managed quite the conurbation that is greater london, hence a Wiganite* is probably at least a little more justified in considering themselves different to a Buryman*, than say an dagenhamian* to a Kingstonite*, even if the distances are probably identical.

Of course the latter two would have much less of a chip on their shoulder about being described as Londoners ;)

*labels are pure guesswork on my part

[RosieH]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Or in fact, EXACTLY like it ;-)

yes, because London's a county and Southwark's a town.

[El Pibe]

Really?!

I realise (amazingly for the forum) that we're wandering a bit off topic, but I'm pretty sure it's not a county seeing as bits of it are comprised of bits of about six or seven other counties.

[RosieH]

No, not really.

Greater Manchester is a county however.

And Wigan, Bolton, Bury, Rochdale etc all towns.

So in that regard, the London / Southwark analogy was exactly spot on.

Incidentally it's "Wiganer" or "pie-'ead"

[Huguenot]

Bury doesn't seem to have a town council, it seems to have a Bury Metropolitan Borough Council, same as Southwark? ;-)

[RosieH]

Heh, Huguenot, you're such a cunt. Get off wikipedia and do some work.

I don't really care about Bury - apart from their fabulous black puddings of course. I'm from Wigan, went to school in Bolton, and went out / shopping in Manchester. I can tell you that they are distinct.

I can also tell you that if you took your soft southern poncey self up to Bury and told them Elbow are from Manchester, they'd punch you in the face. And you'd be none the worse off forrit I reckon ;-)

[RosieH]

Oh, and Hughie,

In modern usage the term town is used either for old market towns, or for settlements which have a town council,

Lots of love,

A chippy northerner xxx.

[El Pibe]

"I can also tell you that if you took your soft southern poncey self up to Bury and told them Elbow are from Manchester, they'd punch you in the face."

So much for the 'famous' friendliness of northerners!

I imagine of a night out most of them would go 'who?' to be fair ;)

[Huguenot]

But.. but... Rowzeee, Bury never was a market town - it was a parish, then a vestry, then a borough, and now a dump?

Never heard of Wigan, is that somewhere cats go to die?

heh heh...

heh...

No, don't hit me, not the face

[El Pibe]

Aaaaanyway.

Has London* produced better then?

for the sake of tedious nitpicking shoulder-chippy argument, London can include anywhere withing the M25, and the home counties if the poor suburban sods left there and moved to london prior to forming said band in a desperate bid to escape their cultural vacuum shithole of a town.

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RosieH Wrote:

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> I'm from

> Wigan, went to school in Bolton,... I can tell you that they are distinct.

But you can see how confusing it is-

Wigan's Ovation - not from Wigan

Wigan's Chosen Few - nope

Wigan Casino - not a casino

Michael Bolton...

[El Pibe]

Tell me it has a pier, I'll be inconsolable if it doesn't!!

[Huguenot]

http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/images/people/letchworth-city-band.jpg

[Brendan]

Actually Elbow are from Prestwich.

But enough about Norfern rock. It's as insipid as the weather. Northern women mind?

Any chance of this morphing into the Lauren Laverne appreciating thread?

[Huguenot]

Limahl was from Wigan.

He's now BIG in Norway.

[Chippy Minton]

Has London produced better? Well...

The Clash > The Buzzcocks

The Stones > The Beatles

Spandau > Duran Duran (Brum is north of Milton Keynes, therefore they're northerners)

*admittedly not all of these supergroups are played on BBC Six ;-)

[RosieH]

I used to buy my knickers from Limahl.

[El Pibe]

Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine > The Mock Turtles

The division 2 of comparisons.

Doubtless the Mock Turtles actually hark from St Helens or some grim depressed ex mining town or other, I'm assuming their hit "Can You Dig It?" was a savage satirical attack on the decline of the mining industry?

[Chippy Minton]

East 17 > Take That

[Brendan]

kenickie > busted

[Lost Yorkshire Man]

The Libertines > Black Lace

and The North has it