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heartblock Wrote:

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> Who objected? Trams would be great.



See Dan b's post above to understand the short sighted objections.


I believe Eileen and the RLSAG (now peckham vision) were the chief local objectors to what would have been a great scheme for the area.

heartblock Wrote:

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> Who objected? Trams would be great.



See Dan b's post above to understand the short sighted objections.


I believe Eileen and the RLSAG (now peckham vision) were the chief local objectors to what would have been a great scheme for the area.

I think that its an interesting idea but there was no clarity as to where any money would come from - think Richard Leeming brought that up - eg TFL / Southwark don't have the funds to pay for it (even putting aside the logistics noted above), so where would the funding come from. I thought that the development of the OKR was the driver and link to funding for the Bakerloo Extension there, so its not clear where tram funding for East Dulwich and surrounds would come from.


Separately - there is a map floating round twitter with a potential route and it looks to just replicate the bus routes already in place for E Dulwich, essentially going up DKH and down Lordship Lane to Forest Hill. All the discussions on PT issues locally seem to centre on EW transport, so unless there was a different route put in, I'm not sure how helpful it would be. If its the type of tram that runs in the road like in parts of Sheffield, then it would just get stuck behind traffic anyway!

I think that its an interesting idea but there was no clarity as to where any money would come from - think Richard Leeming brought that up - eg TFL / Southwark don't have the funds to pay for it (even putting aside the logistics noted above), so where would the funding come from. I thought that the development of the OKR was the driver and link to funding for the Bakerloo Extension there, so its not clear where tram funding for East Dulwich and surrounds would come from.


Separately - there is a map floating round twitter with a potential route and it looks to just replicate the bus routes already in place for E Dulwich, essentially going up DKH and down Lordship Lane to Forest Hill. All the discussions on PT issues locally seem to centre on EW transport, so unless there was a different route put in, I'm not sure how helpful it would be. If its the type of tram that runs in the road like in parts of Sheffield, then it would just get stuck behind traffic anyway!

@legal

Just watched that section on the golden pay-off to Cllr Pollak. Absolutely disgraceful. I thought it bad enough that his fellow Labour councillors supported the appalling behaviour but where else would a self admitted "serious error of judgement" , aka bullying and harassment, be rewarded with a ?5,000 pay off funded by council tax payers.


But as, with our Dulwich Village Ward Cllr Leeming, winner of a prestigious "Rotten Boroughs" award from Private Eye for abusing a constituent, it seems this is par for the course for our local Labour party.

alice Wrote:

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> Tramsformational but the price and time is too

> much. It?s not going to happen.


Agree. That cllr Rada Burgess came across as the epitome of champagne socialist to me. All virtue signalling grandiose ideas but she must know there is no money for trams. What can they *actually* urgently do in a climate emergency with no money?

Having watched it again, i'm even more confused. I wasn't necessarily paying much attention the first time, but it didn't sound like the Lib Dem proposal was for this to be a TFL project - so whats the plan, spend loads of cash on a working feasibility for trams, then take it to be told there is no money for it?

Punish residents with restrictions, closed roads, fines and no long term plan.

That?s what.


DulwichCentral Wrote:

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> alice Wrote:

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> > Tramsformational but the price and time is too

> > much. It?s not going to happen.

>

> Agree. That cllr Rada Burgess came across as the

> epitome of champagne socialist to me. All virtue

> signalling grandiose ideas but she must know there

> is no money for trams. What can they *actually*

> urgently do in a climate emergency with no money?

https://twitter.com/one_lewisham/status/1374854060776558592/photo/1


This looks great, funny how history repeats itself when trans used to run along Dog Kennel Hill

But in these economic strained times, its probably more of a long term dream than realistic reality.


The disruption caused during the construction of the Croydon tram was huge, but the benefits far out way that.

Objected or asked how it would be paid for - think it was the latter before the public lynching starts. I also think its a good point - if money is available, then great, but its a good question upfront before lots of time and therefore cash is poured into this.

Yes, it was more about the cost. Labour / LDs are responding differently to the announcement that the Bakerloo Extension has been put on hold (see https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/tfl-mothballs-crossrail-2-and-bakerloo-line-extension-because-of-pandemic/5110836.article).


The Labour approach seems to be that the Council should keep pushing for it to be funded and not consider alternatives ; the LDs are saying it's not going to be operational until something like the 2040s at best, so it's imperative that the Council looks at cheaper alternatives (may not be cheap, but we need something sooner than then, approach). Hence suggesting an investigation into what would be possible re trams.



northernmonkey Wrote:

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> Objected or asked how it would be paid for - think

> it was the latter before the public lynching

> starts. I also think its a good point - if money

> is available, then great, but its a good question

> upfront before lots of time and therefore cash is

> poured into this.

northernmonkey Wrote:

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> Objected or asked how it would be paid for - think

> it was the latter before the public lynching

> starts. I also think its a good point - if money

> is available, then great, but its a good question

> upfront before lots of time and therefore cash is

> poured into this.

He still said no to the idea.

Latest OneDulwich update:


Did you receive your leaflet about the review?


The eight-week public consultation on the road closures will start in May. Please register your interest at www.southwark.gov.uk/dulwichreviewreg and encourage friends, neighbours and family to do the same.


One Dulwich has heard from a number of residents and businesses who didn?t receive the leaflet about the consultation last week. Please let us know via [email protected] if you didn?t receive yours either. We?re concerned that the process so far is already raising questions about fairness and transparency ? see [?Will the long-awaited review be fair and transparent??].


Who closed Dulwich Village junction?


Thanks to an FOI (Freedom of Information) request, data about a previous Southwark consultation has finally emerged. Please see ?Who closed Dulwich Village junction??. We will publish the full report shortly.


Dulwich welcomes new cyclists


We?re interested to hear about a sudden and dramatic rise in the number of cyclists on Calton Avenue and Melbourne Grove. The sunny weather? The active travel we all support? We hope so. Could it be that some over-enthusiastic cyclists are going back and forth over the new automatic counting strips ahead of the May review in order to show Southwark that closing roads increases cycling? Surely not?


Best wishes,

There seemed to be lots of Cyclists (the lycra clad, male, expensive bike, whizzing noise as they pass you kind) in Calton/ DV last weekend, but not so many this weekend, just regular cyclists. If the "count day" turns out to be last weekend or if there was a spike last weekend it would be interesting. If not I am possibly turning into a conspiracy theorist.

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