EU Trade Talks Thread

[Sephiroth]

Wonder if keano/glen et al are buying this nonsense about ?the eu has caved in on food blockade threat?

[keano77]

I?d love to engage Sephiroth but unfortunately some people are a bit sensitive and accuse me of trolling. So I?ll confine myself to the odd smiley, or thumps up or down emoji from now on.

[Sephiroth]

They accuse you?

You mean it isn?t true?

[keano77]

😇

[diable rouge]

Not all trolling is low level insults, Ursula von der Leyen's recent speech where she cited Thatcher in her response to the UK's law breaking shenanigans was top trolling...*thunbs up*

[keano77]

Is the odd ?boo hiss? allowed?

[JohnL]

Well Mrs Clooney has resigned if you like high profile ones and the PM (according to the Daily Mail - no link) is falling into misery.

"In her resignation letter, Mrs Clooney, who is married to Hollywood actor George Clooney, said she had accepted the job last year because of the UK's historic role in upholding the international legal order."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54210658

OK here's the mail link then - they seem to be turning against Boris (probably supporting Sunak/Gove

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8750253/Subdued-Boris-Johnson-worries-money-salary-shrunk-150k.html

[JohnL]

The talk of twitter is Boris going in December (or January) and Gove taking over.

Except the LibDems who seem otherwise engaged.

[diable rouge]

We agreed that we should go for a short flight to see if I could travel safely, we flew for roughly 2 hours and ended up on the outskirts of Perugia. We did not visit the castle, we did not walk around the town....

[JohnL]

What's Boris done now - to be fair the guy looks constantly ill these days

I noticed the insinuations on Kay Burley

Ahh .. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/21/no-10-denies-reports-boris-johnson-went-on-secret-italy-trip

Shapps ?Not that I?m aware of. I think it?s mistaken, as far as I?m aware.? that means Boris didn't tell Shapps - who is only Transport minister..

[JohnL]

Oh My. Went out for a few with the Bullingdon Boys and woke up in Italy.

"According to another passenger on the flight back to the UK, Johnson was on his own, apparently without any luggage and very much the worse for wear."

[diable rouge]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Oh My. Went out for a few with the Bullingdon

> Boys and woke up in Italy.

>

> "According to another passenger on the flight back

> to the UK, Johnson was on his own, apparently

> without any luggage and very much the worse for

> wear."

That quote relates to a trip he made there in 2018 when he was FS and deliberately left without his security minders, allegedly to attend a party at Lebedev's castle, you know, the same Russian oligarch that Johnson knighted recently. Throw in the Beeb's headline about the possibility of Russian oligarch cash being funneled to the Tory party. Oh, and our glorious leader has chickened out on this morning's important Covid update, once again avoiding scrutiny, tick tock, tick tock...

[JohnL]

Behind Adam Boulton on Sky News this morning and he's not even trying to get rid of them.

"Get Johnson Out"

and

"Jesus is coming, Repent"

[Sephiroth]

Border around Kent. I?m guessing some of you are totally ok with this as you knew what you were voting for?

It?s not totally nuts or anything?

[diable rouge]

To be fair, judging by some of the inbreeding that goes on in Kent, probably not such a bad idea...

[wordsworth]

...yeah but at least there's a Deal in Kent.

[keano77]

wordsworth Wrote:

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> ...yeah but at least there's a Deal in Kent.

👍

[MarkT]

Doesn't the Isle of Thanet want to remain in Britain?

[diable rouge]

Le jardin de la France...

[TheCat]

I regretfully acknowledge this might rile up some of our Remain supporting friends on the EDF, its not personal or meant to be too serious....but it did give me a slight chuckle.....

From Brendan O'Neill.....

"The liberal elite in the UK is shocked ? shocked, I tell you ? that Donald Trump is refusing to concede defeat in the presidential election. There?s even talk of him taking the election to court. And he?s stirring up mobs of people to protest against the vote on the basis that it is fraudulent, illegitimate, a stitch-up by faceless forces in the establishment, etc etc. What kind of person behaves in such a shamelessly undemocratic fashion, these pearl-clutching Brits want to know?

Well, there?s an easy answer to that question: you. You behave like this. You spent the past four years doing what Trump is now doing, only in an even more unhinged way. You went to court, took to the streets, and went berserk on Twitter on a daily basis as part of a hateful crusade to overthrow the largest democratic vote in the history of our country: the vote for Brexit. So perhaps wind your necks in, yes?"

[Sephiroth]

repeat after me:

"a general election is nothing like a referendum"

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> repeat after me:

>

> "a general election is nothing like a referendum"

A national presidential election with only two realistic choices?

nothing like each other?.....thats' a stretch....

Anyway....the comment isnt trying to prove legal precedence in a court of law that the two situations are the same...its a wry observation that when a side loses they will inevitably question the rules and validity of the contest to deal with the loss....simmer down.....

[JohnL]

To be fair though a President is for 4 years whilst a Brexit is for life.

[Sephiroth]

excatly - a normal, status quo election cycle has promises and getouts for all parties

The elected government will be held accountable to it's manifesto and face electorate again

A referendum needs to be something that a givernment can deliver - eg a change in divorce law or decriminalise certain drugs

But promising a painless exit from main trading bloc - which is something that wasn't in the governments power to grant - and no way to reverse it?

That is a flat out undemocratic decision, in no way related to democratic norms

[Sephiroth]

my typing - goodness me