EU Trade Talks Thread

[Blah Blah]

I like Louisa's slow puncture analogy :)

[JohnL]

Typical Boris "truths" (posted above in bold) - reminiscent of his old days spaffing about bendy bananas but this time it's important.

On Pulse Fishing it seems he postponed any ban to link it with leaving the EU/End of transition period.

[TheCat]

Perhaps more detail than anyone might desire, and someone more 'nautical' may be better informed....

...but my understanding on the reason for the pulse finishing coinciding with brexit was becuase prior to that any country that banned it, it only applied to the 'territorial water' which is 12 nautical miles from the coastline, as opposed to the entire exclusive economic zone of each country's waters (which is 200 nautical miles). So from 12nm to 200nm is actually EU common waters for EU members. So the French and Belgian bans only apply in the small region within 12miles from their coasts, whereas the UK ban now applies to the entire exclusive economic zone....

As I say, Happy to stand corrected by any old sea dogs (Seabag?) on the forum....

[diable rouge]

I get the impression that seabag knows more about fish on a plate than in a net... :)

[Sephiroth]

"But to say Boris is a joke is a bit laughable really. ?

Goes on tv this morning to say schools are perfectly safe and in same breath he might have to close them soon

Meanwhile in the hours since schools are emailing parents to say they are not safe and moving to remote learning

But he?s not a joke

[KidKruger]

...and meanwhile ?act like you?ve got Coronavirus? (while recommending schools open)..

[diable rouge]

I don't get Johnson, the Gov had a chance to get ahead of the virus for once with respect to it's spread outside of London, and yet he dithers again. It's like he has to see something bad happen before he believes something bad will happen. The same mistakes over and over again. It's pathological...

[Sephiroth]

Good job he hasn?t led us to leave a neighbouring trade bloc because of his ?positive? outlook and convincing many to go with him eh?

?Prosper mightily? my arse

Alas

[Ossito]

I?m surprised he hasn?t told us that we just aren?t wishing COVID away hard enough. New year, must be time for a new frivolous catch phrase to make it all go away.

[TheCat]

"Wish it, Want it, Do it"

https://youtu.be/tvH9Y6Cy2ew

[JohnL]

Hancock seemed reinvigorated this morning.

?Each week we look at all of the areas of the country to check that we are in the right position in terms of the tiers,? he said. ?It is a very difficult situation in terms of the growth of the virus.?

It's like the UK is a petri dish.

Also

"the Government?s key ?Covid-O? committee that oversees restrictions was expected to report on Monday to decide changes to the tiered coronavirus regime."

If only the government could fight viruses with committee names.

[Trinnydad]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Hancock seemed reinvigorated this morning.

>

I have real sympathy for the chap. He must be working 20 hours a day, 7 days a week without respite. Constant exposure to the media, parliament, No10 etc etc. And whatever he decides will be challenged by voices from every corner eg businesses, teachers union, medical experts, SNP, Labour, mayors etc, etc.

All his critics jump on any issue they can think up - like the city mayors (Burnham et al) who were against lockdowns and they are now demanding them. They change direction on a daily basis.

I just can't imagine anyone who would like his job. Cut him a bit of slack FGS.

[JohnL]

Hancock certainly puts the hours in and keeps going - can't argue with that.

[diable rouge]

Give me quality over quantity any day.

The incompetent fucker should've resigned over the abject failure to protect the most vulnerable in care homes...

[diable rouge]

There is at least one Tory politician having a 'good' pandemic, Neil O'Brien, who has challenged the Mail and Telegraph for platforming anti-lockdowners, Covid deniers, anti-vaxxers et al, like the hideous Toby Young...

[Trinnydad]

If you are talking 'good' pandemic, then check out today's headline in The Times"

EU?s coronavirus vaccination strategy in chaos as supplies run short

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eus-coronavirus-vaccination-strategy-in-chaos-as-supplies-run-short-9kfd593w0

[JohnL]

Jeremy Hunt has just said all schools should close and we should go into basically a (tight) lockdown

It seems to be a matter of days to me.

[JohnL]

Trinnydad Wrote:

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> If you are talking 'good' pandemic, then check out

> today's headline in The Times"

>

> EU?s coronavirus vaccination strategy in chaos as

> supplies run short

>

> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eus-coronavirus

> -vaccination-strategy-in-chaos-as-supplies-run-sho

> rt-9kfd593w0

Why be so obsessed with the EU

The AstraZeneca vaccine can be produced locally in countries like Thailand and India - a big advantage. India has a huge production plan. I'm not sure where ours are sourced from.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-55520658

[TheCat]

"Why be so obsessed with the EU"

Despite veering into pandemic discussion/government bashing (justified or not).....this is the EU Trade Talks thread to be fair:)

[JohnL]

TheCat Wrote:

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> "Why be so obsessed with the EU"

>

>

> Despite veering into pandemic

> discussion/government bashing (justified or

> not).....this is the EU Trade Talks thread to be

> fair:)

LOL I did forget that to be honest

[Blah Blah]

JohnL Wrote:

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> The AstraZeneca vaccine can be produced locally in

> countries like Thailand and India - a big

> advantage. India has a huge production plan. I'm

> not sure where ours are sourced from.

>

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-555206

> 58

Except India are now holding back vaccine for their own population. The result is that the first 15 million AstraZenica doses are being delivered to the UK, with no more coming until March end at the earliest. Even on the one dose policy with second doses being given from later deliveries, that limits the vaccine program and falls short of being able to complete vaccination of the 30 million that fall into the phase one identified groups before Easter. This is why a six month rollout was always a more reasonable timeframe, over the eternal false promises given by this government that everything can happen quicker.

[TheCat]

Have you got a source for this BB?

My understanding was that the first wave of doses of the AZ vaccine for the UK was produced in the Netherlands and Germany, then the remainder would be produced in Britain. This is what AstraZeneca said directly in December.

Do you have other source that says the Indian production was meant for the UK market?

[diable rouge]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Trinnydad Wrote:

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> > The style is very similar and BB has been

> accused of

> > multiple IDs before.

>

>

> It's been a while since BB was accused of multiple

> IDs, I'm guessing before your time as Trinnydad.

> If that's the case, care to tell us what you're

> previous ID('s) were?...

Mystery solved...

[Sephiroth]

The smell of taking back control - hoping other countries take mercy and not follow their laws while we sort out the mess we created

Chief of the Cold Chain Federation, @ColdChainShane to @IanKingSky:

"This is the crucial thing here: Ultimately UK gov't can't do much about this any more, it's now about what the French, Irish and EU authorities want to do."

Doesn't feel like 'taking back control'. ~AA https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1347499227384066048/video/1

[Sephiroth]

I liked this from Roland Smnith today as well. Like The Cat he was once a liberal, risk-taking Leaver. His words today

Come on in Catty - the water is lovely, And you won't have to share it with keano

"This is where I got to. In the end, Brexit is not very grown up. It also explains why Brexiter-free-traders hold a very "Ladybird book of free trade" view: Of the forester on the hill exchanging his wood for the wheat of the valley farmer. And of course "I, Pencil"....

https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1347516120501280769/photo/1"