EU Trade Talks Thread

[keano77]

You might find that the notion of the ?EU? that you?ve done such a fine job trying to defend and promote for the past five or six years no longer exists post Covid

Thursday?s coronabonds/debt sharing meeting will be interesting

[Sephiroth]

riiiiight

[diable rouge]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Cue typical EU fudge around Christmas time.

Would that be the same festive fudge Johnson chomped on when he threw the DUP under Santa's sleigh by agreeing to a border down the Irish Sea?...

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> If the EU are close to blinking why are we even in

> a 1 year extension already?

I?m sure you don?t need a history lesson from me but it?s because a coalition of Remainers forced BJ to request one.

Most of the miscreants were booted out at the general election and are probably now on furlough.

[Sephiroth]

"I?m sure you don?t need a history lesson from me but it?s because a coalition of Remainers forced BJ to request one."

well I wouldn't WANT a history kesson from you, but that's very different

Johnson was forced to by reality - not a coalition of Remainers

Still - he's running out of excuses to hide behind now. And when he requests another extension in a couple of weeks we can chow down on some more popcorn

[keano77]

The EU might beg for an extension - depends on how bad things get with the world economy

[Sephiroth]

it wasn't the eu begging for previous extension and they aren't this time either - but they are open to the idea so that we don't embarrass/damage ourselves farther. And Johnson will request it because he knows the damge done to the UK will be on him if he doesn't

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> it wasn't the eu begging for previous extension

> and they aren't this time either - but they are

> open to the idea so that we don't embarrass/damage

> ourselves farther.

They are open to the idea because they are poo-ing their pants that Britain will become more competitive to their stale lumbering tortoise of a structure. Why else are they trying to impose restrictions on a sovereign power?

[Sephiroth]

Because the sovereign power want the benefits of proximity to the eu without the obligations

Sovereignty isn't a one-way "win/win" - there are tradeoffs. And the UK is unwilling to countenance the cost of it's folly. They aren't restictions "imposed" on a sovereign country - they are the consequences explained clearly during teh referendum and dismissed as project fear.

[diable rouge]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Why else are they trying to impose

> restrictions on a sovereign power?

Sovereign nation(s) imposing restrictions on another sovereign nation(s) as part of a trade deal. Welcome to the world of trade deals keano...

[exdulwicher]

We definitely will be in a terrible position trading on WTO terms with the biggest recession the world has ever seen looming. Covid had been bad enough for UK business so far. Imagine the impact of WTO terms and tariffs! Only a lunatic would persist with a hard Brexit right now.

Unfortunately, all the lunatics are currently in the Government and pushing hard for exactly this, a no-deal Brexit. Covid has been a nice distraction for them - allows them to kick the negotiating can down the road a bit, blame the EU for lack of progress and then sell everything off to the Americans in a "trade deal" that rips up food standards, public services and public protections and turns the UK into a paradise for disaster capitalists who, coincidentally, are the same people who fund the Conservative Party.

[Sephiroth]

"all the lunatics are currently in the Government and pushing hard for exactly this"

agreed. but at the risk of repeating myself.. [looks at keano and his red-pill internet history]

[ianr]

> [looks at keano and his red-pill internet history]

I've no idea what this means. Is it a reference to www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill; or (probably more likely) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill?

[Sephiroth]

possibly both?

It's a trope amongst hardcore Brexiters/Trump supporters that everyone else has taken the blue pill and are oblivious/blind to the truth

And they spend too much time down internet wormholes having crazy views reenforced by likeminded souls

[ianr]

Reinforced, I hope.

[keano77]

Anyone know what time Boris?s video summit with a load of unelected EU apparatchiks who want to spend our money and tell us what to do is?

Is it being shown on telly?

[Sephiroth]

" a load of unelected EU apparatchiks who want to spend our money and tell us what to do"

you do know this is not normal language? normal people don't speak like this? and bajillions of people of all classes in EU countries just wouldn't even recognise what you are saying?

[keano77]

Yep, there has certainly been a dumbing down. I blame social media ?schooling? people

[Sephiroth]

so majority of people in all the other countries have taken a blue pill but you and your fellow english travellers can see things we can't?

[keano77]

I?ve no idea what blue pill is supposed to mean.

Is it a drug the EU hands out to its citizens to lobotomise while it?s spending their money - a bit like Soma in Huxley?s Brave New World?

[Sephiroth]

It was only a couple of posts ago it was referenced/explained - keep up

but your question is revealing - you are either trolling or actually believe this (i think it's a bit of both for you 20% trolling 80% belief)

[keano77]

Ok I googled it.

So in plain English (which apparently nobody uses or understands these days) open-minded and aware versus closed mind and ignorant.

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> " a load of unelected EU apparatchiks who want to

> spend our money and tell us what to do"

>

> you do know this is not normal language? normal

> people don't speak like this? and bajillions of

> people of all classes in EU countries just

> wouldn't even recognise what you are saying?

Maybe people in the EU aren?t as daft as you think when it comes to the English language Sephiroth.

European Council president Charles Michel says the EU is "ready to put a tiger in the tank but not to buy a pig in a poke".

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-and-eu-chiefs-agree-new-momentum-needed-in-trade-talks-12007332

Give me a shout if those who?ve received a British education don?t understand what he said

[Blah Blah]

And the madness of hard Brexit supporters continues.....

Keano, we are about to enter the biggest recession ever on WTO terms. We are not going to be any threat to the EU or any other trading block as we scramble to save our economy. Oh and you might want to ask why government are refusing to share the details of any agreed trades deals with Parliament, even after they are signed, while you are at it.

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Sephiroth Wrote:

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> > " a load of unelected EU apparatchiks who want

> to

> > spend our money and tell us what to do"

> >

> > you do know this is not normal language? normal

> > people don't speak like this? and bajillions of

> > people of all classes in EU countries just

> > wouldn't even recognise what you are saying?

>

> Maybe people in the EU aren?t as daft as you think

> when it comes to the English language Sephiroth.

>

> European Council president Charles Michel says the

> EU is "ready to put a tiger in the tank but not to

> buy a pig in a poke".

>

> https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-an

> d-eu-chiefs-agree-new-momentum-needed-in-trade-tal

> ks-12007332

>

> Give me a shout if those who?ve received a British

> education don?t understand what he said

Buy ESSO ?