Pathetic P4 service.

[apbremer]

8.45 am today. P4 to Brixton. 24 mins.wait from DV. Can we really expect any improvement after all these hugely expensive road works??

[dbboy]

I'd suggest it is likely to have been stuck in traffic along the south circular from the Harvester.

[Penguin68]

I'd suggest it is likely to have been stuck in traffic along the south circular from the Harvester.

This will only get worse (and a permanent fixture) once the Village traffic is re-routed along the South Circular - with no options for local diversion.

[nivag]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> I'd suggest it is likely to have been stuck in

> traffic along the south circular from the

> Harvester.

>

> This will only get worse (and a permanent fixture)

> once the Village traffic is re-routed along the

> South Circular - with no options for local

> diversion.

It's a shame they won't allow bus only access and then the P4 can go back to its original route back down Court Lane

[slarti b]

nivag Wrote:

> It's a shame they won't allow bus only access and then the P4 can go back to its original route back

> down Court Lane

Not sure what you mean by "bus only access" but I think there are at least a couple of problems:

1) I believe P4 was diverted from Court Lane to DV becuase of the road humps which will not be removed. Happy to be corrected if this is not correct

2) More importantly, under Southwark's proposals Court Lane will be closed off at junction with Calton Avenue so the P4 would not be able to get through to DV.

So the P4 would remain dependent on a more clogged up South Circular. And the 37, 185, 176, 40, 42 would also be adversely affected by traffic diverted along East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane.

Southwark's scheme has not thought through teh implications for publice transport.

[alice]

Nothing to do with road humps. P13 manages very well on Underhill Rd.

Reroute it.

[slarti b]

I am pretty sure the P4 was re-routed following the Court Lane road humps and lengthy closure, in 1989\90. See https://www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/prefix/p4.html for confirmation.

The intial road humps were more like tank traps ( bad design and purchase by council) and have subsequently been replaced by ones which are more bus friendly so, though uncomfortable, maybe not such a problem any more.

However, under the Council's proposed plans the DV junction will be physically closed to all motor traffic so the P4 could not be diverted along Court Lane.

[Penguin68]

Well, Southwark's response to this will be clear (as it is to all traffic related issues) - we are right, you are wrong, and if you disagree with this, then move. We don't want your sort in the borough.

[Bic Basher]

The humps used on Underhill Road are designed so that buses can ride along gaps wide enough for the buses to fit, while cars have to use the hump and slow down.

They could implement this on Court Lane if there wasn't the current scheme to pedestrianise the Village end.

[alice]

If you want to reduce car use you must make public transport better.

[seenbeen]

alice Wrote:

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> If you want to reduce car use you must make public

> transport better.

Who is going to use public transport in London whilst we are under the cosh of the corona virus!

[dbboy]

some people don't have an alternative

[redpost]

average speed cameras would negate the need for speed bumps on court lane (and the surrounding roads), the bus could thus be routed this way avoiding the south circular