Thameslink trains from Herne Hill to terminate at Blackfriars

[1865]

Network Rail plan to terminate all northbound 'Wimbledon Loop' trains via Herne Hill, Loughborough Junction and Elephant & Castle at Blackfriars. No more through services to the city, Farrindgon, St Pancras and beyond; south London is already poorly served by public transport and this will make it considerably worse. There is a campaign to get National Rail to reconsider. Click on this link to see the details of the campaign: https://www.facebook.com/SaveTheThameslink and 'Like' to support them.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Bare in mind that the alternative is currently a reduction of services from Peckham Rye / Denmark Hill.

[1865]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Bare in mind that the alternative is currently a

> reduction of services from Peckham Rye / Denmark

> Hill.

I've not seen that in the documentation; do you have a link to that info?

[LondonMix]

There have been multiple threads with links to the consultation documents here on the forum. Do a search of Renata's posts as she has as Peckham's councillor has been very involved.

[1865]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> There have been multiple threads with links to the

> consultation documents here on the forum. Do a

> search of Renata's posts as she has as Peckham's

> councillor has been very involved.

Thanks, I just did. Couldn't see anything on the alternative being a reduction of the Peckham Rye/Denmark Hill services, apart from this http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,933821,946508#msg-946508 which refutes it and no other mention of the Facebook campaign.

[LondonMix]

Here is the relevant thread http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,921668

The Wimbledon (Herne hill) loop is likely to be axed for logistics but they are campaigining against this. If they are sucessful, the Peckham service would have to go instead.

1865 Wrote:

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> LondonMix Wrote:

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> -----

> > There have been multiple threads with links to

> the

> > consultation documents here on the forum. Do

> a

> > search of Renata's posts as she has as

> Peckham's

> > councillor has been very involved.

>

> Thanks, I just did. Couldn't see anything on the

> alternative being a reduction of the Peckham

> Rye/Denmark Hill services, apart from this

> http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5

> ,933821,946508#msg-946508 which refutes it and no

> other mention of the Facebook campaign.

[1865]

Thanks LondonMix. Lot of conflicting info there, and I see that it got rather heated...

[LondonMix]

Yeah, its the EDF! Read the actual off gov't doc that Eenata speaks of as it spells it out. The thread went a bit off topic on the SLL and ELLX...

[Eileen]

this post about the Southwark Rail Users Group (SRUG) comments might also be useful to read: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,944735,946714#msg-946714

SRUG's comments cover the issues raised by the Thameslink consultation for users of rail services from the stations Nunhead, Peckham Rye, Denmark Hill, North Dulwich, East Dulwich, Queens Rd Peckham, South Bermondsey. See here for copy of the comments: http://www.bellenden.net/sites/default/files/SRUG%20response%20to%20DfT%20Thameslink-Southern%20Franchise%20consultation%202012.pdf

Page 5 covers particularly the Wimbledon Loop questions.

It is important for users who value the direct connections to St Pancras from Nunhead, Peckham Rye or Denmark Hill to email their comments to DfT before 14 September, focussing on their use of the service and why it is valuable and important to them. All relevant weblinks are in the post mentioned above.

[1865]

Many thanks Eileen, most interesting.

[Zebedee Tring]

There's an article in today's "Southwark News" (Dulwich & Herne Hill edition) entitled "Huge public outcry adds extra time to train cut consultation". This includes the sentence "The service through Herne Hill, Elephant and Castle and Blackfriars into central London faces the axe from 2018 as part of a shake up of the [Thameslink] network - with services from Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye also facing uncertainty".

This is surely badly worded, if not misleading, since it could be interpreted as suggesting that the through London services from both Herne Hill and Denmark Hill could be axed, when, as I understand it, it would be only one of these two services that could be taken away, and then for operational reasons.

[LondonMix]

Your right. It plays down the fact that the stations are actually comepeting with one another to maintain their services!

[Eileen]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> Your right. It plays down the fact that the

> stations are actually comepeting with one another

> to maintain their services!

No not quite right. It may be that this is what Network Rail want us all to think. But there are questions about whether their case about a particular capacity limit is correct. See page 5 answers to Qs 18/19 in SRUG's submission for more info on this. http://www.bellenden.net/sites/default/files/SRUG%20response%20to%20DfT%20Thameslink-Southern%20Franchise%20consultation%202012.pdf I think more will begin to unfold on this point over the next few weeks.

[LondonMix]

i see

[healey]

I'm not sure if I have got this right, but isn't the ultimate aim to increase through traffic from London bridge to North London? That would likely benefit more people, I guess. It would certainly take alot of pressure off the Northern Line.

I've always been amazed at how poor the service from London Bridge to Farringdon is, for example. It should be linked up like Charing X - every 5 mins or so.

[MarkE]

healey Wrote:

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> I've always been amazed at how poor the service

> from London Bridge to Farringdon is, for example.

> It should be linked up like Charing X - every 5

> mins or so.

Given as the only (sensible) route from London Bridge to Farringdon is via Charing Cross, that would result in the scrapping of every other North-South service through Charing Cross. Somehow, I can't see that one getting the thumbs up.

[Zebedee Tring]

Surely a more direct route (apart from Thameslink of course) would be London Bridge to Moorgate on the Northern Line and then Circle/H&C/Metropolitan to Farringdon.