Driving nightmare

[mr.chicken]

I live near the Calton Ave. Junction and as a pedestrian I've not had anyone try to run me over since it closed, whereas before having cars drive right at me fast with a green man up was a regular occurrence.

Saying this is all 100% against cars is not useful. Cars have had a free run of the place for yonks. The problem is the roads are now full of cars and we can't add more capacity, because there is nowhere to add it. The only way of making thins better for cars is to make it better for everyone else so people use other forms of transport. That will free up the roads for people who really need cars.

Just look at the statistics for the unending growth of car use round here. Unless the council tries to curb car use, then it will grow and grown until the roads are totally clogged anyway in 5 years time, and we won't have any improvements for other road users.

[dulwichfolk]

I think the statistics actually show car use going down....before any changes to the junction etc.

If you query the council on this, which has been done many times on here, they then seem to disappear.

[first mate]

Ah, here we go again...the just move line. It?s is just so simple folks.

And why is the council simultaneously pushing this and funding anti-car lobby groups while at the same time supporting massive and deeply unpopular planning applications that include a hike in car ownership and use?

James_C Wrote:

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> This is the entire point of these plans. Stop

> driving in such a built up city ! If you want to

> drive your car around then move somewhere car

> friendly otherwise you're going to have to deal

> with traffic. The vast majority of us do not drive

> so why should such large amounts of our public

> space (roads are public space) to geared towards

> those who do ?

[James Barber]

25 years ago London population 6.8 million and is now 8.8million.

Forecast is London population will increase from 8.8 to 10.8million residents over the next 25 years.

If the same ratio drive then driving gets much much harder. Roads much more congested. Even the same ratio of people walking, cycling see's many more people travelling by these methods wanting and demanding better conditions to walk and cycle. Public transport becomes ever less pleasant with over crowding.

Doing nothing makes everyone cross and would be no way to try managing this huge population increase.

Trying to make changes to reduce the proportion of car driving for journeys will also cause huge angst, and worry for those who are essential car drivers.

[dulwichfolk]

Forecasts are all good and well but things don't always play out as they look.

At least the facts as of now should hold some (major) sway regards the way forward....and not be fudged to give the answers wanted.

Such as closing/limiting the car use on the street you live on at the disadvantage of the majority of other people.

[Spartacus]

James Barber Wrote:

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> 25 years ago London population 6.8 million and is

> now 8.8million.

> Forecast is London population will increase from

> 8.8 to 10.8million residents over the next 25

> years.

> If the same ratio drive then driving gets much

> much harder. Roads much more congested. Even the

> same ratio of people walking, cycling see's many

> more people travelling by these methods wanting

> and demanding better conditions to walk and cycle.

> Public transport becomes ever less pleasant with

> over crowding.

>

> Doing nothing makes everyone cross and would be no

> way to try managing this huge population

> increase.

> Trying to make changes to reduce the proportion of

> car driving for journeys will also cause huge

> angst, and worry for those who are essential car

> drivers.

Just wait a few years and between the headline below and the pandemic, population numbers in London will fall solving your too many people problem

BBC News - Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

[Rockets]

James Barber Wrote:

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> 25 years ago London population 6.8 million and is

> now 8.8million.

> Forecast is London population will increase from

> 8.8 to 10.8million residents over the next 25

> years.

> If the same ratio drive then driving gets much

> much harder. Roads much more congested. Even the

> same ratio of people walking, cycling see's many

> more people travelling by these methods wanting

> and demanding better conditions to walk and cycle.

> Public transport becomes ever less pleasant with

> over crowding.

>

> Doing nothing makes everyone cross and would be no

> way to try managing this huge population

> increase.

> Trying to make changes to reduce the proportion of

> car driving for journeys will also cause huge

> angst, and worry for those who are essential car

> drivers.

It has also been proved time and time again that closing roads as the council has done does indeed reduce car use on that road but creates an increase in both congestion and pollution on other roads and an overall net increase overall. Just look at the last round of improvement works at DV, it increased pollution.

Just moving/displacing the problem isn't solving the problem - it's lazy and short-sighted.

[JohnL]

People are moving out of London as we speak - why stay in the City if you don't work here and you can get a bigger house with the same money - many would have moved out as families get bigger anyway.

There are those who like the City (I do) and new incomers (usually young)would normally replace those moving out - but if they start jobs and can WFH they'll take the job and stay near parents/friends - I know I would have in 2004.