Irresponsible, illegal (?) public events

[hopskip]

I suggest that Southwark Events should be active communicating with ward Councillors to withhold support given the lack of licences? Rather indulgent/perverse of Cllrs to support this given the weddings, funerals, events generally that are barred at present.........

alice Wrote:

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> Yes that is the advice I was given by Southwark

> council today.

[Abe_froeman]

Maybe any councillors that were there just went along to check their eyesight?

[KidKruger]

Hmmm, a bit confused. There's at least one poster on here who was defending the overnight revellers on Peckham Rye with their sound systems and littering and noise (when other posters were questioning it), yet seems to think a tea dance on a Saturday morning is worth trying to stop.

Inconsistent. Yet consistent.

[alice]

I?ve emailed a few councillors today.

[tomskip]

Yes, contradictory posts about late night/early morning gatherings on Dawsons Hill too.

[JohnL]

tomskip Wrote:

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> Yes, contradictory posts about late night/early

> morning gatherings on Dawsons Hill too.

I suspect it's the new sort of politics where everything is seen through the prism of one argument.

But many politicians seem happy with that.

[KidKruger]

well there is that too....where all-nighters and littering is just kids being kids.

tomskip Wrote:

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> Yes, contradictory posts about late night/early

> morning gatherings on Dawsons Hill too.

[Abe_froeman]

It's also an offence to wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway in any way without lawful authority and these events stop people from freely cycling along that road or turning their cars and lorries around as they are entitled to do.

[northernmonkey]

How does having people standing within a blocked off road, one which is closed to motorised traffic but accessible to cyclists and pedestrians stop people turning round lorries????

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> It's also an offence to wilfully obstructs the

> free passage along a highway in any way without

> lawful authority and these events stop people from

> freely cycling along that road or turning their

> cars and lorries around as they are entitled to

> do.

[Abe_froeman]

If you wanted to drive your lorry down CAlton Avenue, pick up an ice cream and then turn around and go home again, it would bee rather tricky with all these people sitting on deckchairs int he middle of the turning space

[ED Bird]

slarti b Wrote:

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> You seem to have no idea we are in the middle of a

> pandemic. Look at this and tell me if it complies

> with Govt guidelines and rules about public

> events.

>

> https://twitter.com/DulwichSquare/status/129223098

> 1877891074

That is the funniest thread I have seen in a while.

Sadly, but unsuprisingly, the labour councillors are all on board,

so I cannot see turning to them for help being of any help at all.

[dulwichfolk]

Has that twitter linked been deleted?

[ED Bird]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did. The account is @DulwichSquare .

[JohnL]

dulwichfolk Wrote:

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> Has that twitter linked been deleted?

It's replied to with a bit missing

At least they're not all on their iPhones

[bsand]

Some people's lives must be very miserable indded and they like to share that misery. Not biting - long live the square.

[tuscany se22]

Those nutters in SE21 know how to party don't they

[bsand]

but the road, the road is blocked and folk are outdoors socially distanched and enjoying themselves. HOW DARE THEY.

[northernmonkey]

Despite constantly commenting, it appears you?ve never been to the closure. It?s blocked off at calton, dulwich village and court. It?s not a turning circle. The part where they are standing is no motorised vehicles!

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> If you wanted to drive your lorry down CAlton

> Avenue, pick up an ice cream and then turn around

> and go home again, it would bee rather tricky with

> all these people sitting on deckchairs int he

> middle of the turning space

[alice]

But it is open to bikes, mobility scooters etc

It is not a ?square? it is a highway.

[andrewc]

The ideas around streets are changing. If the street is a living space where people can do a mixture of things it is no longer simply a highway with parking space. I know this subject is highly charged and I don't want to add fuel to the fire. But it is worth imagining the way streets could change.

The idea of traffic 'evaporation' is well documented and worth believing in.

https://londonlivingstreets.com/2019/07/11/evaporating-traffic-impact-of-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-on-main-roads/

[KidKruger]

I'd like to see the folks of some busy back street in Peckham try to get away with the same kind of street closures.

[northernmonkey]

Like - oh, I dunno, rye lane as posted earlier??!

[Rockets]

andrewc Wrote:

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> The ideas around streets are changing. If the

> street is a living space where people can do a

> mixture of things it is no longer simply a highway

> with parking space. I know this subject is highly

> charged and I don't want to add fuel to the fire.

> But it is worth imagining the way streets could

> change.

>

> The idea of traffic 'evaporation' is well

> documented and worth believing in.

>

> https://londonlivingstreets.com/2019/07/11/evapora

> ting-traffic-impact-of-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-

> on-main-roads/

And anyone who studied geography will tell you when something evaporates it condenses and then falls as rain elsewhere....which is exactly what these closures cause....

[nxjen]

The remainder of these events have now been cancelled due to ?ambiguities?

https://www.friendsofdulwichsquare.co.uk/

The legal advice that was sought makes interesting reading

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f20556c9901276144543bb3/t/5f36be2c471fb44cb171bb47/1597423177107/Legal+Advice.pdf

[bsand]

Well done to the killjoys that helped to squash out a harmless and modest contribution to making folk feel better during the pandemic. Maybe you can dob in parking offenders and check neighbours bins to make sure they are recycling responsibly.