Stuart Hall.....child abuse allegations

[Mick Mac]

Terrible. I really respected him.

[Sue]

Well hang on, if it's allegations, nothing has been proved yet has it?

[Mick Mac]

No. Did I say it had ?

[Sue]

Mick Mac Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> No. Did I say it had ?

xxxxxx

"I really respected him" sounded like you thought the allegations were true, as the statement was referring to the past, as in "I really respected him but now I don't" ..... sorry if I misunderstood!

[Mick Mac]

My respect is "on hold".

[red devil]

He should've played the Joker...

[dulwichtoo]

Games without frontiers.. apparently he liked to party hard with Bestie back in the 60s Manchester scene.The CPS must have some firm evidence to bring 3 charges wheras the other 80 year old was released without charges. We should have a statute of limitations some of these charges relate to alleged incidents going back nearly 40 years.

[El Pibe]

"We should have a statute of limitations some of these charges relate to alleged incidents going back nearly 40 years."

Really, why? Because by 49 the victim has either killed themselves, ended up in menatl health care or has dealt with it therefore why rake up the past?

I get the not retrospectively prosecuting new laws thing, but rape (statutory or otherwise) was still illegal back then you know.

[dulwichtoo]

Well maybe because after all these years there is no physical evidence and post Savile some ageing rich playboys maybe seen as ATM's by some who may have had consensual sex way back. Who knows where it all ends is every ageing 70s rocker going to end up in the dock ? They were different times I not justifying rape here just how could it ever be proved beyond reasonable doubt ?

[BJL]

dulwichtoo Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Well maybe because after all these years there is

> no physical evidence and post Savile some ageing

> rich playboys maybe seen as ATM's by some who may

> have had consensual sex way back.

Legally, there is no such thing as "consensual sex" with a minor. That's true now and was true then.

[civilservant]

Now Max Clifford too

There are only two or three charges in each case - but what that suggests is that there's already been a lot of filtering of the allegations to identify those which might hold up in court, rather than that these chaps are being held to account for a bit of poor judgement on a couple of occasions.

And what ElP said

[dulwichtoo]

WOW he knows where all the bodies are buried - I expect him to sing to save his skin and some more big names to go down - if you're a male celeb in your 70s then you're probably toast.

[El Pibe]

Much as I loathe the Hamiltons, there's a nice bit of irony here.

[dulwichtoo]

They had an alibi for abuse allegations a while back from a name that has been bandied around that is closer to the centres of power trhan this carousel of has beens. Rich alpha males have a different sexual morality to us normal poorer folk it would seem. Usually as the elite they could cover this up or pay em off - would seem the tide is turning.

[RosieH]

dulwichtoo Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Well maybe because after all these years there is

> no physical evidence and post Savile some ageing

> rich playboys maybe seen as ATM's by some who may

> have had consensual sex way back.

At 8 years old? Consensual, really?

[Fabricio the Guido]

Max Clifford has been arrested. Who does Max Clifford go to when he, himself, is involved in a bit of scandal?

[womanofdulwich]

I find this whole thing makes me feel sick. If true it makes you wonder how these people are so sick . Were they like that and drawn to showbizz? or did the culture of showbizz make them think this was normal? Or it this just representive or " society! at that time?

[RosieH]

Or just representative of society at any time.

It's big news now because it's famous people, and coming all at once, which makes it easy to forget the daily horror stories we read (or skip over) of more mundane, less glamorous people involved.

[Fabricio the Guido]

Max Clifford admits to covering up Child Abuse

[El Pibe]

so is he being held for sex crimes or for peverting the cause of justice then?

[Salsaboy]

Clifford really is a slimeball.

[maritap]

I have a feeling there's much more to be revealed. This is just the tip of the iceberg. In my opinion

[dulwichtoo]

It puts a whole new slant on the saying sex and drugs and rock and roll - sexual morality it would seem is just like taxes - for the little people.Should it come as much surprise that our human civilised world is really just a sophisticated animal world with alpha males taking and getting what they want whereas we lesser mortals get what we can and build a better world of caring,sharing and helping each other.

It's Stuart Hall that really shocks me I don't want to beleieve it as I grew up seeing his avauncular face on Look North along with Its a Knockout and if he falls along with some of these other names it makes you wonder who you can beleive in or trust anymore.

[Huguenot]

It's probably a bit difficult to judge the sexual morality of the late 60s and and early 70s from the wrong end of a telescope and then apply it to the present day.

We've moved on a lot since then, and the very fact that these cases are being brought is a reflection of that.

[first mate]

But it is alleged that an 8 year old girl was indecently assaulted... that was viewed as wrong in the 60/70's as it is now.

I suppose part of the problem is that different categories of sex crime are being mixed together. A fifteen year old 'developed' groupie one might be able to explain in terms of the permissive society, but not an eight year old.

I found the questioning under caution of the 80 year old from Berkshire even more shocking. If something comes of that I would feel truly disillusioned.