Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right

[Jrice18]

I got a parking ticket today from the guy in the photo!!

[KidKruger]

Can't see any guy, is he hidden behind the ivy ?

[DulwichFox]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Can't see any guy, is he hidden behind the ivy ?

He's wearing Low Vis clothes

Foxy

[Spartacus]

Two wrights made an airplane

(Sorry couldn't resist)

[smooch]

where is that?

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> KidKruger Wrote:

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> > Can't see any guy, is he hidden behind the ivy

> ?

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> He's wearing Low Vis clothes

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> Foxy

🤣🤣🤣

[SpringTime]

Contest it (unless you have parked in a very silly position and/or for an unreasonable term relative to the location). If you contest unsuccessfully then pay up quickly.

Massively annoying experience to many of us stopping for a couple of minutes on an errand/appointment/actually helping someone in need... when we see more serious civil breaches and crimes committed daily and without impunity?

[Alan Medic]

If you were parked illegally, that's one wrong. What's the other one? It's not getting caught is it?

[malumbu]

Trouble with traffic enforcement is that only the innocent ever get caught. You can read that anyway you wish!

(PS I have been caught too many times)

[KidKruger]

Only the innocent get caught ?

What - entrapment is it ?

[Spartacus]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Only the innocent get caught ?

> What - entrapment is it ?

I think that it's sarcasm as in "I innocently only stopped for a moment on a double yellow line to ...."

Entrapment -yes, the council have purposely painted double yellow lines where they know people stop just to generate revenue 😱

[malumbu]

Look it it both ways - only the law abiding tax paying community spirited people like me get caught, when we see rrrrs who could't give a frig who have no social conscious speed, park on pavements, drive down bus lanes etc

Or the I am innocent, the signage was unclear etc etc.

I've been that as well, but disputing penalties has never got me anywhere.

There's a serious issue on proportionality - there is no simple warning system for those with a minor transgression, yet for example roads and time of day when there is zero enforcement of restrictions. Yet if you get stopped for undue care and attention you may well get a warning or go on a speed awareness course, rather than points and a fine. I've given up trying to make this point to government, local authorities etc. The negative side is that overzealous enforcement does alienate decent people.

[JohnL]

Is it because the van is on double yellow too

I bet they're allowed to break the law to catch one :)

[DulwichFox]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Is it because the van is on double yellow too

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> I bet they're allowed to break the law to catch

> one :)

I think you will find that when 'They' park on Yellow Lines 'They' are not actually breaking the Law.

Foxy.

[Blah Blah]

Parking enforcement and the fine system that comes with it is a scam. Someone can go from not paying a ?40 PCN to literally owing thousands and losing their vehicle to bailiffs. How can that be right when more serious infractions, like driving with no insurance, have fines capped?

[Spartacus]

Blah blah, wait till fines for LTN infringements start piling up.

Still that's one way of reducing car usage, send in the bailiffs to seize the cars from people who accidently go into one of the new gated streets so that they will never ever do it again ! 😱

Shhhssss nobody suggest this to council officers 🤔

[malumbu]

As I get older I become more tolerant, apart from persistent anti-social drivers where I would happily crush their cars!

[gbal30]

Worth noting in case this helps anyone - there are circumstances where it is legal to park for a period of time on double yellows when loading/unloading, but it does vary by borough. Southwark info is under the yellow lines section here https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking/guide-to-parking/loading-and-unloading

My advice would be - check the time limit (40 mins in Southwark), make sure you are visibly loading/unloading - have a door or boot open if possible and particularly hazard lights on, do not block anything, don?t do it where it is forbidden (look for perpendicular yellow lines on the kerb), and pop a ?loading only? note on your dashboard. Hope this helps.

Edit: at your own risk of course!

[KidKruger]

Thanks for the advice, really useful.