Sunlit uplands. Are we there yet?

[wordsworth]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> "hat's not brexit's fault, that's the govt

> fault."

>

> Ah the old "it's not communism at fault..." line

>

> and where did we get this government from? Was it

> a cruel joke? Nope - it's because brexiters demand

> brexit, any brexit must happen. Don't look at the

> detail - just get it done. Get rid of Cameron get

> rid of May - just get it done!!! F*** other

> countries and any impact on them - just lie and

> get it done. renege on the deal later!!!

>

> And that's why we have this bunch of jokers - and

> anytime we might end up lucky and get a better

> more sensible govt? The same lunatics from The

> Mail, the Tory Party, The Lexiteers and the

> Keanos/uncleglens of this parish will scream and

> shout betrayal

>

> this gentleman's brexit you have in your head

> doesn't exist - and if it did it wouldn't have

> won any referendum

Fair points...

[Sephiroth]

? I.e. a sensible govt would issue simple working visas to fill short term gaps?

Also worth picking up on this point

We are basically telling people we told to bugger off, no you can?t settle here, to come back, do us a favour is we?re in a tight spot old chap, and then bugger off again

?If we come and help out can we stay? L?

?Haha god no!?

So even with this ?sensible? approach I can?t see enough people taking up the jobs

They have the choice of their own country or 26 others they can move freely around. Why jump thru hoops and risk abuse to help out here

[Sephiroth]

I see arch Brexiteer Simon Jenkins is today saying

"Brexit need never have so devastated the British economy. The damage has come from one decision, to depart the single market. The sensible path now would be for Johnson to eat humble pie and seek, as far and as fast as possible, readmission to that market. Britain would imitate the protocol it has agreed for Northern Ireland. This would not mean rejoining the EU, just rejoining Ireland ? the most delicious of historical ironies."

[Sephiroth]

5 years in and still the uk can?t get it?s shit together

So the eu has its borders and checks ready - and uk doesn?t. I wonder who will benefit financially from this arrangement hmmmmm

Eu countries don?t face checks IN to uk

But UK faces checks and barriers and costs exporting

For how long? ?Indefinitely? you say

So much control

That?ll go well

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/06/uk-and-eu-extend-post-brexit-grace-period-over-northern-ireland-protocol?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Seabag]

There is a glimmer of light upon the upland. Brexit is working out?

After becoming prime minister in 2019, he pledged: ?We will bring back that ancient liberty. People understand what a pound of apples is. There will be an era of generosity and tolerance towards traditional measurements.?

And?.

Pubs will also be allowed to sell pints in glass printed with the crown stamp that was prohibited by EU directives.

Time for a lie down I think, but *bangs heart* it was worth it!

https://apple.news/ARnEMNuxJTfaWCE47Zlk1uA

[malumbu]

Oh for christsake. Let this be a wind up. I'm no spring chicken but I learned in the metric system and there is no reason to keep or revert back to some nonsensical system. I've put threads up on this subject before. Surely we are not that backward. If so we may as well go back to LSD, that is the old money not the drug, but I think that I'd need this!

[Seabag]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Oh for christsake. Let this be a wind up. I'm no

> spring chicken but I learned in the metric system

> and there is no reason to keep or revert back to

> some nonsensical system. I've put threads up on

> this subject before. Surely we are not that

> backward. If so we may as well go back to LSD,

> that is the old money not the drug, but I think

> that I'd need this!

Yes but?? surely you?ve missed the crown mark on your ?pint?? I don?t know how many times I?ve had to rephrase my order because the bar staff only understood ?I?ll have 568ml please?

This makes the whole thing a whole lot clearer?🤔

In the United Kingdom, the imperial pint is the mandatory base unit for draught beer and cider.[4] Milk sold in returnable containers (such as glass bottles) may be sold by the pint alone and other goods may be sold by the pint if the equivalent metric measure is also given.

Since the majority of countries in the world no longer use American or British imperial units, and most are non-English speaking, a "pint of beer" served in a tavern outside the United Kingdom and the United States may be measured by other standards. In Commonwealth countries it may be a British imperial pint of 568 ml, in countries serving large numbers of American tourists it might be a US liquid pint of 473 ml, in many metric countries it is a half-litre of 500 ml, or in some places it is another measure reflecting national and local laws and customs.[5]

Historically, units called a pint (or the equivalent in the local language) were used across much of Europe, with values varying between countries from less than half a litre to over one litre. Within continental Europe, these pints were replaced with liquid measures based on the metric system during the 19th century. The term is still in limited use in parts of France, where "une pinte" means an imperial quart, which is 2 imperial pints, whereas a pint is "une chopine"?and Central Europe, notably some areas of Germany[6] and Switzerland, where "ein Schoppen" is colloquially used for roughly half a litre. In Spanish holiday resorts frequented by British tourists, 'pint' is often taken to mean a beer glass (especially a dimple mug). Half-pint 285 ml, and pint mugs , 570 ml, may therefore be referred to as media jarra ('small jar/jug') and jarra (grande) ('large jar/jug').

[ianr]

> This makes the whole thing a whole lot clearer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Reusers%27_rights_and_obligations

https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=GB&uselang=en&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_source=donate&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org

[malumbu]

How on earth did we manage to move to metric units for wine, spirits, mixers, dairy food etc? We even managed to switch from gallons to litres for fuel, cubic metres not feet for gas, Kilowatts/KWh for electricity etc.

A couple of exceptions are no case to going backwards. I'll happily live with a half a litre of beer if they put down the prices accordingly.

[TheCat]

Seabag Wrote:

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> There is a glimmer of light upon the upland.

> Brexit is working out?

>

Seems to be working out pretty well for the wide range of blue collar workers seeing significant pay rises at the moment?

These are the same blue collar turkeys who many on here said were voting for Christmas apparently....

(and before the usual's jump all over this comment...yes not all is rosy, yes there are negative issues in other areas, yes the wage rises are not 100% due to brexit (but its a clear contributor), and yes it will also lead to some level of inflation. But in anycase....im sure you'll all be pleased that you can now see a 'tangible benefit' that you didnt think existed)

[Sephiroth]

The gall of people who for years told workers and people like me arguing for higher wages that we would break the economy now claiming it?s a good effect of Brexit

The bare faced cheek of it

Nothing was stopping a higher minimum wage or companies paying more - and certainly not being an Eu member

[TheCat]

Getting a little desperate with that line of argument I think Seph.

It's okay...you can concede that it's not as bad as you thought it would be...this is a safe space....

[Sephiroth]

Just because you say something is desperate doesn?t make it so

Smugly, provocatively grinning ?it?s not as bad as you thought? as people lose their jobs, inflation rises, supplies dry up, companies go under, Northern Ireland peace continues to look risky, exports tank and friends and neighbours get caught in a web of home office rules and punishment is not a good look

If you genuinely believe it?s not going badly then you just aren?t a serious person

[malumbu]

There was always going to be winners. Some made zillions straight away on the markets. It's whether it is in the nation's overall interests, which covers many factors. Many around here would include softer stuff like being outward facing. Happily having a young mobile workforce, many happy to do some of the poorly paid work, particularly in the capital.

I get most of my info from the Archers and Countryfile. The former "oh dear Australia deal", the latter "here are some Eastern Europeans doing the manual work, and here is an Eastern European doing the skilled work". Both programmes are of course gospel.

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Just because you say something is desperate

> doesn?t make it so

>

> Smugly, provocatively grinning ?it?s not as bad as

> you thought? as people lose their jobs, inflation

> rises, supplies dry up, companies go under,

> Northern Ireland peace continues to look risky,

> exports tank and friends and neighbours get caught

> in a web of home office rules and punishment is

> not a good look

>

> If you genuinely believe it?s not going badly then

> you just aren?t a serious person

There's 13 pages of thread here mostly made up of smug, provocative posts mocking the 'idiots' who voted for brexit. Funny how its only an issue for you when the post disagrees with your worldview.

As to how its going....well if you only focus on the negatives, then of course you think its going badly...but as with anything there's good and there's bad...

Oh....and just because you say im not a serious person, doesnt make it so.....

Bon weekend.

[Sephiroth]

Some scientists say climate change is real

Some say it isn?t

Hard to weight up the net reality isn?t it?

13 pages of people pointing out genuine, real, often life-altering problems of Brexit

Catty saying ?there are positives too!!! ? and gives examples of things that don?t need Brexit and turned out to be not especially great anyway (waves at vaccine rollout)

So yeah. Totally even stevens. It?s a close run thing etc.

[Sephiroth]

I left the house today

I found a Quid!!! Benefit of leaving the house versus staying home innit!

A dog bit me, I fell in the river and lost a tenner. Nothing to do with me leaving the house

?Jesus why focus on the negative - you people! ?

[TheCat]

I know its hard for you, having to try and accept that there may be some good things about brexit.

But I know you can do it....if Michael Barnier can do it...so can you....

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/2021/09/10/cries-of-frexit-as-michel-barnier-demands-french-sovereignty-on-immigration/

[Sephiroth]

It?s not hard for me to accept

Because there aren?t any meaningful positives. Otherwise you would point to them instead of desperately spending weeks clinging to non-wins like vaccine rollout

And you only have ropy characters on here in your corner

And linking to an article where barnier is critical of EU doesn?t change that in any way whatsoever

Try harder

[keano77]

Barnier?s presidential ambitions mean he now has to look the French people in the eye.

No more EU smoke and mirrors

[Sephiroth]

? No more EU smoke and mirrors?

Anyone know what this even means?

More bizarre than his usual comments.

[keano77]

Barnier, now standing in front of the French people, has had a road to Damascus conversion (road to Frexit moment?)

Curtail immigration. Take back powers from EU courts.

He is astute enough to know that in a post COVID world of sovereign debts and rampant inflation, a post-Mutti EU will be infighting like rats in a sack.

[Sephiroth]

Same old same old Eu will fall apart rhetoric.

Barnier has always been a right wing politician with his immigration line

He was a negotiator on behalf of 27 Eu countries in Brexit. Why can?t you see the difference?

There is no Damascene conversion

There is no frexit (even le penn backed away from that notion)

There is no Eu falling apart

You are an anti-immigrant one note pony and that?s it. That?s all you got

[keano77]

I?m not anti-immigrant and never have been, as students of my posts will know.

[Sephiroth]

?Students of my posts?

Mother of god