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Come on Sephiroth cheer up. Things could be worse. Imagine how Le petit sun king Macron feels with a 60% disapproval rating, Marseille and banlieues in French cities imploding, jobs lost due to cancelled submarine offers and the first round of the Presidential election just round the corner.

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> This country is weird



At least the Pint glass is back with a little crown picture on the it too


Surely that?s all been worth it. I?m not sure exactly how much it cost to get us here, but we did it.

keano77 Wrote:

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> Come on Sephiroth cheer up. Things could be worse.

> Imagine how Le petit sun king Macron feels with a

> 60% disapproval rating, Marseille and banlieues in

> French cities imploding, jobs lost due to

> cancelled submarine offers and the first round of

> the Presidential election just round the corner.



None of which has anything to do with our own incompetent govt but it gives Keano a warm feeling which shows what a total #%^* he is.

malumbu Wrote:

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>

> There are benefits - I expect predominantly from

> subsidising markets, state aid and the like.

> Aimed at overseas investment rather than the late

> 70s of propping up failing British industry.

> Throwing money at things was hardly a Tory thing

> to do but times have changed.

1) the amount of subsidies you can pay is limited by your trade deals and desire to trade under WTO terms


2) throwing money at chums is a highly Tory thing to do. And these are the people we would trust to hand out subsidies to attract foreign investment in the UK?

?100m spent in attracting Nissan to develop and produce next generation electric vehicle batteries, and other coporations being wooed


Not sure how this fits in with the WTO etc but would not be permitted under EU state aid rules.


https://www.ft.com/content/0e07f6b5-1c54-4253-9860-b0ed0c6e75ab

I see that today the govt are pivoting from ?eu has a shortage of truck drivers too!!?


To


?But yeah we need some of their drivers so will allow them to come here. For a bit. Just for a bit mind. Don?t get comfortable?


Remains to be seen if they will accept such a graceful invitation

The UK haulage industry was going downhill before EU drivers rocked up, like fruit picking it's an industry that simply doesn't appeal to Brits and what they're prepared to do workwise, e.g. long hours, often sleeping in laybys, no washing/toilet facilities etc. The Gov's claim that EU lorry drivers undercut Brits is disingenuous to say the least...

FoM meant they could do either, they could work for haulage companies from their own country, but they were also able to work for UK haulage companies, likewise UK drivers were free to work for other haulage companies in the EU.

For a long time there's been a growling shortage of UK haulage drivers working for UK companies, and that gap was eventually filled by EU drivers, basic market forces at work. The market has since changed due to Brexit which is why we now have a shortage of drivers again...

So we need 6 figure numbers of drivers to come here and help out


So we will be grateful right?


?Home Secretary @pritipatel announces 3 month Visas for 5000 drivers & then sets up task force to deport EU lorry drivers who remain U.K. after 24th Dec-She said ?It is a special privilege for lorry drivers to be able come here & work & it shouldn?t be abused?🇬🇧🙈

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> So we need 6 figure numbers of drivers to come

> here and help out

>

> So we will be grateful right?

>

> ?Home Secretary @pritipatel announces 3 month

> Visas for 5000 drivers & then sets up task force

> to deport EU lorry drivers who remain U.K. after

> 24th Dec-She said ?It is a special privilege for

> lorry drivers to be able come here & work & it

> shouldn?t be abused?🇬🇧🙈


Did she actually say that Seph? It's unbelievable if true.

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> You wouldn't imagine that a haulage firm in the UK

> would go out of business, but this one has:

>

> https://twitter.com/hallrjh55/status/1442106712434

> 020353


I'm as remoaner as they come but none of us know the company's commercial contracts or borrowing arrangements. Its sister haulage companies all seem fine. It might be that it's "flexible" and casualised workforce have all buggered off to somewhere that will offer them better conditions. Who knows?

Nope, totally believable, whether true or not.

Along with ?you can now benefit from restricted travel and work across Europe, you lucky, lucky, bastards?.


Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Sephiroth Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > So we need 6 figure numbers of drivers to come

> > here and help out

> >

> > So we will be grateful right?

> >

> > ?Home Secretary @pritipatel announces 3 month

> > Visas for 5000 drivers & then sets up task

> force

> > to deport EU lorry drivers who remain U.K.

> after

> > 24th Dec-She said ?It is a special privilege

> for

> > lorry drivers to be able come here & work & it

> > shouldn?t be abused?🇬🇧🙈

>

> Did she actually say that Seph? It's unbelievable

> if true.

diable rouge Wrote:

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> The UK haulage industry was going downhill before

> EU drivers rocked up, like fruit picking it's an

> industry that simply doesn't appeal to Brits and

> what they're prepared to do workwise, e.g. long

> hours, often sleeping in laybys, no washing/toilet

> facilities etc. The Gov's claim that EU lorry

> drivers undercut Brits is disingenuous to say the

> least...



Haven't you just contradicted yourself? You say brits aren't prepared to accept the conditions of the job, but EU drivers do...isn't that the very definition of 'undercutting'?

TheCat Wrote:

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> Haven't you just contradicted yourself? You say

> brits aren't prepared to accept the conditions of

> the job, but EU drivers do...isn't that the very

> definition of 'undercutting'?


Not in this context, the Gov's use of 'undercutting' was clearly to imply that EU workers were lowering wages for British workers, it's an oft used argument by Leavers both during and after the Brexit debate, that's simply not the case with the haulage industry whereby British workers had long since given up on the industry.

EU drivers didn't have to do any 'undercutting', they simply filled a growing void that already existed, a void that has since returned after many EU workers returned to the EU post-Brexit...

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