Vaccine wars

[johnie]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> I think there has to be some common sense though.

> Efficacy of the four vaccines being used is

> looking very promising against the strains they

> were designed for. Tweaking those vaccines for new

> variants should not be a difficult task. So the

> issue is always going to be one of how fast people

> can be vaccinated against new variants. As we can

> see from the fist vaccine rollout though, there is

> a big difference between countries who can afford

> to pay for it, and those who can't.

>

> Also true is that this is a virus that mutates

> easily, and that is going to be impossible to stop

> in a world where it is spreading easily. So those

> returning from India are going to have to be

> sensible and quarantine themselves properly.

> Unless we want a world where all borders remain

> fully closed, that is going to have to be the way.

> Track and trace systems that work. Testing that

> works. And people doing the right thing.

>

> I think it is safe to say that we are not going

> back to the way things were before this pandemic.

> Businesses that rely on mass gatherings are going

> to have to change. Health resources are also going

> to have to change. Vaccines, testing, tracking and

> constant monitoring for new variants all cost

> money, lots of it. The impacts are going to be

> felt for some time to come.

Hey Blah Blah. As I understand it is this virus that isn't a very speedy mutator, unlike flu. Isn't the hope that the vaccines should have efficacy longer than the flu virus? But yes, it will be about for a worrying period. If we can reduce its prevalence we might still win.

Let's hope this time we can battle it off, unlike Foxtonovirus, M&SFoodHall18, and the awful DLL-MelmorneGrv21 traffic clot.

[Blah Blah]

The alarm around a tiny number of adverse reactions is disproportionate, but at the same time, scientists will want to understand why the vaccines impact that small number of people and that will shape guidance for the future. All vaccines are problematic for a small number of people. We don't stop using them for all the other things we vaccinate for as a result.

In normal times, the covid vaccines would have gone through all seven stages of trial before being approved, and problems around small numbers of adverse reactions would have been identified, especially in the later stages, where those in vulnerable groups and with underlying conditions are trialed, with children being the final stage. The other thing to say about those trials, is that people undergoing them are constantly monitored, whereas that is not the case in a vaccine rollout, where an individual has to identify for themselves that something is wrong in most cases.

[diable rouge]

I've noticed that there's a new 'look out for signs of a stroke' ad campaign doing the rounds at the moment, there was a similar campaign a few years ago, so probably coincidental rather than directly related to the vaccine...

[Blah Blah]

Stroke patients have always been treated. Other emergency care did not stop because of the pandemic.

[Sephiroth]

1.1 million vaccinations in Germany yesterday

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And here we are in first half of July

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEMENT_21_3641

I can?t see much evidence of UK benefits - especially as we approach ?freedom day? with infections soaring and mutterings about cabinet wobbles re July 19th

[diable rouge]

The parable of the Tortoise and the Hare springs to mind...

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Only the hare is still claiming not only victory, but many future victories as well

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Some of the nonsense spouted earlier this year still makes me gasp

Trolley Snatcha Wrote:

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> The successful vaccine rollout has made Brexit all

> worthwhile. Imagine still being in the EU, and sat

> squabbling with all the other countries about who

> gets how much of the available vaccine- no

> thanks.

>

> We should vaccine every single person in the

> country, including both shots of the Pfizer

> vaccine, before we even consider looking beyond

> our borders to help others. For once, we need to

> look after ourselves, because if we dont this

> illness and death (which is getting boring now),

> will chug on for god knows how much longer.

[Sephiroth]

Absolute scenes

???? Wrote:

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> Well that?s because Ireland, like Belgium, is

> opposed to any vaccine war as they realise what

> the long term effect will be on inward investment

> into the republic. Got to say, all this vaccine

> stuff is exposing all the things that the long

> term critics of the EU said - inefficiency,

> unaccountability, over bureaucratic and dancing to

> the tune of the French and Germans. I certainly

> feel less bad about our decision to leave than I

> did a year ago.