Who's your favorite to win ?

[JohnL]

For some reason my Lawrence Fox search yielded this example of free speech :)

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/mar/10/laurence-fox-c-word-heckler-the-patriotic-traitor

[Spartacus]

DuncanW Wrote:

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> Who is it that wants to have a pint with him?

Binface,but only because he can't be seen drinking with Khan 😱

[malumbu]

I reckon that Man City will walk it, and Palace will not get a lot more points/goals this season. Note to the OP, please use a proper title on the thread. Note to DD, you sound like a chap/chapess who knows about engineering and could do with a project (note to all, a friendly private discussion on a different thread)

That's nicely confused things. Good post on routemasters, my knowledge was drawn from a documentary, trips to the transport museum and Acton, and some personal and professional interest. I can talk more about emissions standards, retrofitting buses and the like. And once drove a bus around a car park which was fab.

[Spartacus]

Are any of the candidates standing on a "consultations required for traffic management schemes, expansion of the ULEZ and LTNs" agenda ?

They could very well get a lot of support if they did 🤔

[DuncanW]

Shaun Bailey is that candidate.

If you are confident that would be a vote-winner, maybe get yourself over to William Hill as they will give you 16/1 on that currently.

[malumbu]

Don't look at Twitter as a rule but Shaun Bailey appears to be another populist. Never mind the quality of the argument feel the width (superficial).

[JohnL]

DuncanW Wrote:

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> https://twitter.com/ShaunBaileyUK/status/136931024

> 4866785282

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> Shaun Bailey is that candidate.

>

> If you are confident that would be a vote-winner,

> maybe get yourself over to William Hill as they

> will give you 16/1 on that currently.

It's easy to promise everything to everybody but I don't think he'd be in a position to deliver.

[Spartacus]

I wonder if piers will stand now he's out of work 🤔😂

[nxjen]

Good Lord no, he?d have to deal with people like himself

[diable rouge]

Early days but current voting intentions...

Khan (LAB): 51% (+2)

Bailey (CON): 25% (-3)

Porritt (LD): 8% (-2)

Berry (GRN): 6% (-3)

Via @RedfieldWilton, 6-8 March

Changes w/ 13-14 Jan

[Spartacus]

Is that down to half of London believing Khan has done a good job or a case of not wanting a Tory mayor ?

Would be interesting to understand rationale

[diable rouge]

I think with Mayoral elections people are less inclined to vote purely along party lines, ditto local elections, and the individual comes more into play, hence why the 'liberal' version of Johnson won.

Bailey is an appalling choice of candidate, trying to tap into an illiberal, nationalist populist vote that simply hasn't got the numbers in London, witness his Tweeted attempt to capitalise on the murder of that young woman yesterday. I would've thought the Tories had learned a lesson with Goldsmith's rejection last time after pandering to islamophobia. Obviously not...

[JohnL]

that's enough to win on the first round.

Porritt (Lib Dems), Berry (Green), Reid (Womans Equality Party) and Gammons (UKIP) trailing.

Lawence Fox doesn't seem to even make the poll.

"Strikingly, 17 per cent of Londoners who voted Conservative at the 2019 general election intend to vote for Khan in May and a further six per cent say they will abandon the Tories for Berry.Only 67 per cent said they will vote for Bailey."

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/sadiq-khan-has-devastating-26-point-lead-in-latest-london-mayor-opinion-poll/

[Spartacus]

I was listening to, without watching, the BBC 10 o'clock news tonight and thought they were advertising a new episode of Red Dwarf as I swear I heard Arnold Rimmer speaking, then I looked up and saw it was Kier Starmer launching labours run up to local elections.

I now can't watch him without hearing Space Corp Directive 435, no opposition leader should wear plaid in the house of commons 😱

[DuncanW]

How would anyone be able to answer that?

I infer that you don't think he has done a great job and can't comprehend that others might have a view that is different to your own. Am I way off in thinking that?

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Is that down to half of London believing Khan has

> done a good job or a case of not wanting a Tory

> mayor ?

>

> Would be interesting to understand rationale

[Spartacus]

Duncanw, it's a curiosity,I didn't infer anything, you are trying to read between the lines too much and making your own conclusion.

But to put the record straight, I find any mayor of London an expensive layer of bureaucracy that possibly isn't needed. After all between the abolition of the GLC and the first new mayor we didn't have the whole circus and things ran without any real problems.

[JohnL]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> I was listening to, without watching, the BBC 10

> o'clock news tonight and thought they were

> advertising a new episode of Red Dwarf as I swear

> I heard Arnold Rimmer speaking, then I looked up

> and saw it was Kier Starmer launching labours run

> up to local elections.

>

> I now can't watch him without hearing Space Corp

> Directive 435, no opposition leader should wear

> plaid in the house of commons 😱

Oh good god you're right.

But does that make Boris Dave Lister.

[DuncanW]

Hi Spartacus,

I did the inferring, which literally means reading between the lines and drawing a conclusion.

You're not really putting the record straight as you have answered a completely different question from the one that you originally posed.

Thinking about your question a bit more though, possibly the best answer I have is that as two out of the last three mayoral elections have been won by a Conservative candidate, that the actual candidate plays a big part in it. But that is me reading between the lines again, so may not be the rationale at all... :)

[Spartacus]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Spartacus Wrote:

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> -----

> > I was listening to, without watching, the BBC

> 10

> > o'clock news tonight and thought they were

> > advertising a new episode of Red Dwarf as I

> swear

> > I heard Arnold Rimmer speaking, then I looked

> up

> > and saw it was Kier Starmer launching labours

> run

> > up to local elections.

> >

> > I now can't watch him without hearing Space

> Corp

> > Directive 435, no opposition leader should wear

> > plaid in the house of commons 😱

>

> Oh good god you're right.

>

> But does that make Boris Dave Lister.

He sure as hell isn't fashionable enough to be the cat.

But Kryten 🤔

[malumbu]

Kryten is a great supporter of electric cars. He'd probably be hounded out of the East Dulwich local threads, in particular when the Mayor introduces a Zero Emission Zone. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzz4CoEgSgWNs9ZAvRMhW2A

[Cyclops]

TheCat Wrote:

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> That Brian Rose chap looks like a cartoon version

> of what most people think a banker looks like....

>

> All he needs is a monacle and a fob watch to

> complete the picture....

Brian "Plandemic" Rose. no thankyou.

[malumbu]

Obviously Khan will walk it. But it got me thinking tonight that Sean Bailey had been put up as a patsy. The Tories could have put up a stronger candidate but is suits their agenda to both use the current mayor as a scapegoat, but also that this will keep the outer boroughs conservative, where he and his centre left politics are generally not supported.

[DuncanW]

Current polling puts Khan on 53% and Sean Bailey on 28%, so that's a fairly safe bet - if you could find someone to take it!!

Bailey is a spectacularly weak candidate. It's hard to conceive that the Conservatives couldn't have found someone more credible. I don't buy that he's a patsy though, in that he's been deliberately set up to fail. Labour don't have much to cling on to right now, but a centre-left mayor of London winning a landslide second term is something to celebrate and a beacon for what Labour needs to be to regain it's standing nationally. I am sure the Tories would rather win London if they could.

So why Bailey? Difficult to answer, but maybe:

No-one else really fancied it

CHQ liked the idea of a black candidate

Fundamental lack of due dilligence

[DuncanW]

Current polling puts Khan on 53% and Sean Bailey on 28%, so that's a fairly safe bet - if you could find someone to take it!!

Bailey is a spectacularly weak candidate. It's hard to conceive that the Conservatives couldn't have found someone more credible. I don't buy that he's a patsy though, in that he's been deliberately set up to fail. Labour don't have much to cling on to right now, but a centre-left mayor of London winning a landslide second term is something to celebrate and a beacon for what Labour needs to be to regain it's standing nationally. I am sure the Tories would rather win London if they could.

So why Bailey? Difficult to answer, but maybe:

No-one else really fancied it

CHQ liked the idea of a black candidate

Fundamental lack of due dilligence

[JohnL]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Obviously Khan will walk it. But it got me

> thinking tonight that Sean Bailey had been put up

> as a patsy. The Tories could have put up a

> stronger candidate but is suits their agenda to

> both use the current mayor as a scapegoat, but

> also that this will keep the outer boroughs

> conservative, where he and his centre left

> politics are generally not supported.

Inner Londoners still gradually moving to Outer Boroughs and the Home Counties - not sure whether it will have an effect eventually or even if they turn Tory :)