Friends of Dulwich Square

[tiddles]

As I have been told - the local traders do not support these road closures as it has had a further negative impact on their businesses

[legalalien]

I don?t think they?ll proactively publish the info (Cllr Leeming has said as much on Twitter, citing GDPR). That?s assuming that the application was put in by individuals and FoDS isn?t a separately constituted organisation.

You could put in an FoI request. In terms of individual names, there?s not a blanket exclusion on release of personal data in response to an FOI request, you?d need to head off a response relying on GDPR by making some arguments about legitimate interests and necessity (see about page 17 of this ICO document https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1213/personal-information-section-40-regulation-13.pdf, and see what the Council decides.

Worth noting that where individuals (as opposed to organisations) apply for funding they have to specify a properly constituted organisation to receive the funding on their behalf, as Southwark won?t pay money into individual bank accounts. So information about the identity of the organisation put forward to receive the funds should be disclosable without any GDPR concerns arising. (Info about this is in the guidance notes for the application https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/10382/Neighbourhoods-Fund-guidance-notes-2021-22.pdf)

Depends how much people really want to know!

Bicknell Wrote:

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> so @legalalien do you know if people can ask to

> see details of who is behind this project? the

> councillors must know so isnt this public

> information?also if something depends on whether

> or not they get a license, what happens to the

> money if the license is refused?

[Metallic]

legalalien Wrote:

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> I don?t think they?ll proactively publish the info

> (Cllr Leeming has said as much on Twitter, citing

> GDPR). That?s assuming that the application was

> put in by individuals and FoDS isn?t a separately

> constituted organisation.

>

> You could put in an FoI request. In terms of

> individual names, there?s not a blanket exclusion

> on release of personal data in response to an FOI

> request, you?d need to head off a response relying

> on GDPR by making some arguments about legitimate

> interests and necessity (see about page 17 of this

> ICO document

> https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documen

> ts/1213/personal-information-section-40-regulation

> -13.pdf, and see what the Council decides.

>

> Worth noting that where individuals (as opposed to

> organisations) apply for funding they have to

> specify a properly constituted organisation to

> receive the funding on their behalf, as Southwark

> won?t pay money into individual bank accounts. So

> information about the identity of the organisation

> put forward to receive the funds should be

> disclosable without any GDPR concerns arising.

> (Info about this is in the guidance notes for the

> application

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/10382/N

> eighbourhoods-Fund-guidance-notes-2021-22.pdf)

>

> Depends how much people really want to know!

>

>

>

>

> Bicknell Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > so @legalalien do you know if people can ask to

> > see details of who is behind this project? the

> > councillors must know so isnt this public

> > information?also if something depends on

> whether

> > or not they get a license, what happens to the

> > money if the license is refused?

Names will just be redacted.

[slarti b]

@LegalAlien

Thanks for the link re the application process. I can understand the council redacting bank account details and personal information, but see no reason why the rest of the application cannot be published. This is public money that is being allocated purely at the discretion of the local councillors so I would hope for full transparency.

Is Cllr Leeming suggesting GDPR prevents aany information being published or just the names? ( sorry, I don't do Twitter)

It would be interesting to see what they propose to spend the money on and whether, as per my previous post, it includes the cost of the event license.

[Penguin68]

GDPR prevents aany information being published or just the names?

GDPR only prevents publication when such publication is not included as an authorised use. If (as I believe should have happened) applications were sought with the proviso that details other than bank account details may be published then that would have been fine. I believe that applying for public funding is a public act, and the details of applications (who is applying) should be made available to the public - other, perhaps, than details of bank accounts. Otherwise relatives and spouses of councillors could apply for funding and get it and no one would be the wiser. Too many people are now hiding under the cloak of GDPR in order to keep what should be public, private. That way (alleged) SNP style corruption lies.

To clarify - GDPR does not give blanket secrecy to individual names (personal data) - if and unless such a purpose was stated when the data was collected. What people do have is the right to get access to personal data held and to get something corrected, if in error. Hence, unless you tick the right box, your personal details, as captured in the Electoral Register, are made available from the electoral register. If applications for funding clearly stated that applicants names/ and or applicant organisation names would be made available, then making them available is in breach of nothing.

[legalalien]

I agree with you Penguin, I was just starting from the assumption that the Council would choose not to disclose, even if permitted to do so.

As far as I can see the only statement on the application document is

Data Protection Act Statement

London Borough of Southwark holds and manages data in strict accordance with the Data Protection Act 1998. Southwark Council is the data controller for the purposes of the Data Protection Act. No personal information you have given us will be passed on to third parties for commercial purposes.

[Siduhe]

The fact they haven't updated the reference to the Data Protection Act 2018 which came into force on 28 May 2018 probably tells you something about their overall approach...

[alice]

The FofDS website says they are a group of 'local residents and businesses'

[4321]

Their Twitter account follows all the local Labour councillors who are following the path to true socialism by keeping the poor people from cutting through their manor and only a handful of other people. The first person it followed is a man called Andy who a 2 mins search shows is is a marketing ad agency MD living on calton Avenue. That?s the kind of person needed to rebrand a 5 ways traffic junction as a leafy square. There?s a town planner on Gilkes Crescent too. That the council leader, cabinet, mayor, colleagues and MP have not put any checks and balances on this is heading for rotten boroughs territory.

[4321]

Make a lot of T-shirts with MAKE THE POOR PEOPLE GO AROUND US and get plenty of selfies with any councillors stupid enough to show.

[alice]

Dulwich Alliance has put themselves forward as a sensible alternative. It doesn?t go far enough.

[malumbu]

Sounds like a good idea (the Square not the T-shirts). I'm all for reclaiming the streets and look forward to a good party. How do I join? Do I need to live in SE24 (I'm just down the road). I'll bring my Levellers records with me and party like it's 1985.

[Metallic]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Sounds like a good idea (the Square not the

> T-shirts). I'm all for reclaiming the streets and

> look forward to a good party. How do I join? Do

> I need to live in SE24 (I'm just down the road).

> I'll bring my Levellers records with me and party

> like it's 1985.

I'm afraid you will need a visa and passport to get in to Cloud Cuckoo Land.

[heartblock]

Maybe if you prove you have two cars and a child at a private school you can get a passport?

[Metallic]

Maybe you additionally need to live in one of those sweet little closed off roads - like Gilkes Crescent or Calton Avenue, right by the bijou little square.

[Rockets]

I did chuckle to myself as I walked up Court Lane today and noted that every other car on drives along it seems to be a 4x4 - the Volvo XC range seems to be very popular!

Providing quieter, less polluted streets for those driving the most polluting vehicles does seem a little strange....

[Metallic]

So, no names for who these lucky ?3,000 recipients are as yet? Are they afraid to come forward? Not proud of their achievement in screwing the money out of a council already paying for the ACTUAL Dulwich Festival?

Come on, own up, I am contributing towards this with my Council Tax, or had you all (if there is more than one of you left) forgotten this? I have every right to know.

[alice]

On their website they claim to be a group of local business owners and residents But some businesses seem to have joint with dulwich alliance since the trade has gone dramatically down

[Abe_froeman]

I have started a campaign for a better use for this 'square' in the event that this road closure is made permanent.

It would be a much more socially just outcome to have council housing there instead of tea parties especially given the dearth of affordable homes in that part of the borough.

You could maintain an emergency service and bicycle only access at the same time as building a 6 storey block of council owned social housing in that space.

So I am going to lobby the council relentlessly until they build these homes.

[slarti b]

While they are planning the social housing maybe they could make the skate boarding offical and intall a proper skate park there.

A bit noisy I know, but I am sure the local residents overlooking Mary Newens plaza who campaigned to divert traffic onto EDG and Lordship Lane won't mind.

[heartblock]

Dulwich Square, skate board park and youth centre, with social housing where the Audi garage used to be? The borough needs a good youth centre.

[Spartacus]

Is the square big enough for a fun fair ?

Imagine noisy rides , lights, feral youths

Friends of Dulwich square scream if you've had enough!😱

[alice]

Dulwich Square has no friends anymore.

[malumbu]

I have my own silent disco there. Perhaps join me, we could move onto skates if that's your thing.

[Metallic]

Great ideas - so I'm not alone in wondering. Personally like the social housing idea as there is not enough in the Ward. The S G Smith site would be perfect for the new Almshouses which many people have been saying for a very long time. It is brownfield so there are no excuses for greening it up with a park(let), so maybe twenty flats plus the Almshouses would see us being able to feel we are doing our share for the wider community. I forgot to say, hence edit, that the junction area really should be a road again, with a nice turning circle for a new local bus service to link us all to Herne Hill and East Dulwich.