Vigil for Sarah Everard

[hibbs]

Sarah Everard

Actual vigils may not be allowed right now, but we feel this is too important to let pass.

The team would like to invite everyone to light a candle and stand in doorways at 6pm tomorrow evening (Saturday) for a 1 minute silence in memory of Sarah Everard, the 117 other women killed this year and those still living in fear of violence.

After the silence, please place the candles in your windows as a sign of solidarity with our neighbours who may not yet be able to ask for help. Show them they can, and they are not alone or forgotten.

Please share this post as widely and as quickly as possible so others can join us.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Shared on local Facebook group.

We will definitely be lighting a candle for Sarah and in support of all people suffering or afraid.

[malumbu]

Was anyone at Clapham Common? The reporting is quite confusing and the Met Police is being very firm that they handled it appropriately.

The footage varies from women being dragged away to infiltration by opportunist anti lockdown thugs there for a fight.

Personal view is that the MPS should have allowed this, with proper marshalling. Which would have allowed for lighter touch policing, and even support/sympathy from the boys and girls in blue. The High Court would not rule and Reclaim these Streets withdrew from holding an official vigil for fear of a hefty fine.

I've seen the police as a whole become better integrated into society, rather than being from another planet as in my youth when they were totally out of touch, and were boot boys for a centre right government (miners, Clause/Section 28 and the like).

[JohnL]

Pritti Patel now says it was infiltrated - and she had a conversation with the commissioner on Friday.

Maybe she should publish that conversation ?

[malumbu]

I don't give her any credence at all. I thought her interview yesterday was totally stage managed when she talked about her 'experience' which I do not believe. She was trying to be empathetic but it was just so so so so insincere. Playing either the race card or the gender card. Now see what you have done JohnL, I was all calm and relaxed and now you have got me started!

[Jules-and-Boo]

she's now trying to push through a bill banning any protest unless it is government approved.

"Peaceful protests and marches could become a thing of the past under a new policing bill put forward by the Government, as being too noisy or causing too much ?annoyance? would be grounds to shut them down .

The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill, to be debated in Parliament today (Monday) and tomorrow, has been condemned as ?draconian? by experts across the political spectrum. It will effectively hand powers to police ? and Home Secretary Priti Patel ? to shut down protests at will.

?This will be the biggest widening of police powers to impose restrictions on public protest that we?ve seen in our lifetimes,? Chris Daw QC, a leading barrister and author"

[Seabag]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Pritti Patel now says it was infiltrated - and she

> had a conversation with the commissioner on

> Friday.

>

> Maybe she should publish that conversation ?

Since this horrible lot got in they?re hell bent on locking down (peaceful) protests and such likes. Nasty nasty

people, doing anything they can to avoid scrutiny.

I very much doubt there was any conversation other than ?maybe it was infiltrated? speculation.

Patel and Dick need to go. Both seriously out of touch.

[JohnL]

The moment her bill gets passed I expect 100 officers to descend on Steve Bray.

Whether you agree with him or disagree - his existence proves you can protest at the moment.

[nxjen]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Pritti Patel now says it was infiltrated - and she

> had a conversation with the commissioner on

> Friday.

>

> Maybe she should publish that conversation ?

From what I?ve seen, the peaceful vigil was overwhelmed by those with their own agenda. There is to be an independent enquiry, the results to be available in a couple of weeks. I don?t think how it?s been presented in the mainstream media is actually a reflection of what happened so I welcome this enquiry.

[nxjen]

?Patel and Dick need to go. Both seriously out of touch?

Patel should go, but one of the leaders of Reclaim These Streets does not want to see Dick go and neither do I. It is though the Mayor who is in overall charge of policing in the capital - should he not go also? (Playing devil?s advocate here)

[alex_b]

That Dick was ever considered an appropriate commissioner after her role in the Stockwell shooting boggles the mind.

[malumbu]

On one hand I have had a lot of time for her, in particular breaking the usual mould. But the Charles De Menezes murder..... Well I suppose irrespective of public opinion investigations and inquiries were held into the unlawful killing. I've just quickly read the wiki article, and not clear whether it was cock up or conspiracy. In either case where should the buck have stopped, the current commissioner or those above her at the time?

[DuncanW]

I don't think JCdM was murder. It was a mistake caused by incompetence and the fact that one of the surveillance officers went off to take a leak and got confused about who he was watching. After they realised what a cock-up it was, they tried to cover it up by lying and saying he jumped the barriers and was acting suspiciously, when the CCTV recordings clearly demonstrated that to be false.

[malumbu]

My recollection was from the Panorama documentary, which showed that he was under surveillance from an unarmed team, but they were not communicating with the counter terrorism team. I didn't gleam this from the wiki entry, but if there were/as there were serious mistakes then someone should have taken the can for this. Compensation was paid to his family.

The question is, as this was something that happened over 15 years ago does it have any relevance to the events of Saturday night? I expect not.

[DuncanW]

I think that's pretty much it.

It wasnt a Death on the Rock style execution. In the heat of the moment, they thought he was a threat. Cressida Dick was in operational command and I believe gave the green light to use fatal force, but she made that decision on the basis of poor intel that was given to her. - I think.

[TheCat]

malumbu Wrote:

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> I don't give her any credence at all. I thought

> her interview yesterday was totally stage managed

> when she talked about her 'experience' which I do

> not believe. She was trying to be empathetic but

> it was just so so so so insincere. Playing either

> the race card or the gender card. Now see what

> you have done JohnL, I was all calm and relaxed

> and now you have got me started!

I thought that I had stumbled on to the wrong thread....this comment could very easily be someone's view on another famous interview from the past week or two.....

[alex_b]

DuncanW Wrote:

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> I think that's pretty much it.

> It wasnt a Death on the Rock style execution. In

> the heat of the moment, they thought he was a

> threat. Cressida Dick was in operational command

> and I believe gave the green light to use fatal

> force, but she made that decision on the basis of

> poor intel that was given to her. - I think.

Almost certainly true and if she?d owned up to it immediately then I?d perhaps accept that. However there was a protracted attempt to mislead the public and place the blame on the victim. As Dick was the operational commander the cover up after the fact should have ended her career.

In terms of is it still relevant 15 years later, I think it is part of a pattern of her (and other senior officers) being unable to accept criticism. We saw it in Stockwell, with Tomlinson at the G20, and last summer with the stopping of the Black athletes and her subsequent handling of that. I don?t think she?s a fit leader if she doesn?t have sufficient humility and self awareness to accept legitimate criticism.

[JohnL]

Well this guy seemed to be a bit of a wide boy and is still commenting in the media :).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Hayman

[Chick]

It was an execution followed by a cover up and lies. She should have gone then.

malumbu Wrote:

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> On one hand I have had a lot of time for her, in

> particular breaking the usual mould. But the

> Charles De Menezes murder..... Well I suppose

> irrespective of public opinion investigations and

> inquiries were held into the unlawful killing.

> I've just quickly read the wiki article, and not

> clear whether it was cock up or conspiracy. In

> either case where should the buck have stopped,

> the current commissioner or those above her at the

> time?

[uncleglen]

It's obvious that the murder was hijacked because a cop did it. No-one has mentioned the awful murder and dismemberment of Lorraine Cox of Exeter who wasn't killed by a cop! I wonder why? And de Menezes was in the UK illegally in case you've all forgotten- which was why he ran. Talk about blinkered.

[JohnL]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> It's obvious that the murder was hijacked because

> a cop did it. No-one has mentioned the awful

> murder and dismemberment of Lorraine Cox of Exeter

> who wasn't killed by a cop! I wonder why? And de

> Menezes was in the UK illegally in case you've all

> forgotten- which was why he ran. Talk about

> blinkered.

He didn't run - that was a lie - read the inquiry - I did.

[JohnL]

Heres a master link

http://policeauthority.org/metropolitan/scrutinies/stockwell/index.html

Many subsequent investigations were about untruths spread - about him running and wearing bulky clothing etc.

Stockwell 2 is the one that started investigating the untruths.

[Jules-and-Boo]

The Bill has passed which takes away right to protest and makes it illegal.

Where is the outrage ? It?s monumental and bodes of bad things to come. These rights were not granted freely but taken away and no one seems to notice.

[JohnL]

Committee stage still to come I think

but it will pass - you can submit to the committee still though

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/93/human-rights-joint-committee/news/152774/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill/

[malumbu]

There's a bigger political issue here that this government can essentially do what they want, in particular policies that middle England would support. An extreme example would be bringing back the death penalty (I'm not suggesting that this will happen). Responsible governments would do what is best for the country and society, be modern and progressive, rather than remain rooted to the past.