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[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> My point is this. People who say ?you lot are

> attacking Johnson but people just don?t care?

> might well be (currently) correct

>

> That in no way diminishes the problem at hand

No it doesn't. But I was trying to address the various handwringing that goes on here about 'why' people would support this govt. As far as my personal opinion goes....i mean its a total joke....in the annals of history this govt will be remembered as a lightest of lightweights.....

[Sephiroth]

"But I was trying to address the various handwringing that goes on here about 'why' people would support this govt."

Yes there is handwringing. Yes it's largely pointless. But at the very least it allows me to see I'm not alone in my horror

But I don't think history will be as kind as to describe this govt as "lightweight" - I think history will be very much harsher and necessarily so. It is no coincidence that the "total joke" of a government consists entirely of Brexit believers after the election purge - there is a strong link between those two things

[TheCat]

I am obviously in a very niche minority of supporting brexit, and disliking this govt.....but while support for the two is often coincidental, it is by no means mandatory....

[Sephiroth]

of course it isn't

But if I supported Anything and found that same thing was also aggressively supported by a bunch of clowns like this? I'd reconsider

[diable rouge]

Are you happy with the Brexit we've ended up with Cat, if not, what did you want instead?

I can't recall Leave voters on here criticising the deal much, if at all, which kinda gives the impression that you're all happy with it despite it's flaws.

Was it more important that Brexit was 'done' regardless of the details?...

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> of course it isn't

>

> But if I supported Anything and found that same

> thing was also aggressively supported by a bunch

> of clowns like this? I'd reconsider

like remain?

(come on that was a gift:))

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Are you happy with the Brexit we've ended up with

> Cat, if not, what did you want instead?

> I can't recall Leave voters on here criticising

> the deal much, if at all, which kinda gives the

> impression that you're all happy with it despite

> it's flaws.

> Was it more important that Brexit was 'done'

> regardless of the details?...

Happy enough. Ive said it many times, most sensible leavers (and yes, they were joined by many non sensible leavers, but the same is true of both sides) voted on concept....so the details of how its transpired are important, but by the by in the grand scheme. As that economist i posted a link to last week said, the success or otherwise will be determined by the policy decisions over the next 5-10 years. The Uk now has the opportunity to benefit from that (i.e. AI, Digital Currency), but whether they do or not remains to be seen....i dont have much hope with these muppets in charge, but that doesnt kybosh the whole idea.....

[Sephiroth]

That is all just fantasy - and I really resent having to pay for and gamble further peoples' security and safety for this fantasy

People who voted remain are not in any way equivalent to those who voted leave - because one was a known outcome. The other was a bunch of competing fantasies

Listen to the fishermen for example bitterly complain about how they have been shafted - never mind that that was always going to happen. Or DUP.

Cat just hasn't figured out he has been or will be shafted yet

[TheCat]

This should stir some of you up....

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/04/30/the-remainers-were-wrong-about-literally-everything/

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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>

> People who voted remain are not in any way

> equivalent to those who voted leave

Yes. You are just better people. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[Sephiroth]

It?s not about ?being better people?. It?s just that the choice of remaining meant not messing with peoples lives and economies on made up promises.

[Sephiroth]

Posting articles from spiked and dumb economists is about the only thrill available to leavers. It?s so pathetic.

Like those people Ringing in to talk shows to scream ?I voted leave to annoy people like you?

Unforgivable

[TheCat]

It is a thrill to prove you wrong. I admit it.

But it's just so easy....

[diable rouge]

You're certainly a gambler Cat, and a reckless one at that.

I'm afraid you're going to have to dismiss the first 5 years of that 5-10 year plan of yours, given that the 'muppets' that delivered Brexit are, surprise, surprise, still in charge, and might well be for the full 10 years. Then what?

I note no mention of the social impact Brexit is having, in particular as Seph alludes to, Northern Ireland and the peace process, all foreseen. Is that a price worth paying for your concept, acceptable collateral damage (no pun intended)? Which reminds me, you wouldn't have been living here during the Troubles, it wasn't nice, even on the Mainland. Will it need a couple of terrorist bombs to go off in London to make you sit up and notice?

I thought that you could've at least pointed me in some direction beyond a simplistic 'concept', say a Norway style deal that would've at least addressed the issue of NI. A half-way house reflecting the closeness of the vote, gave both sides the opportunity to either later form closer ties with the EU or pull further away, depending how things went. Surely that's more in keeping with a 5-10 year plan than living in hope that one day a more competent Gov might or might not rock up...

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> You're certainly a gambler Cat, and a reckless one

> at that.

> I'm afraid you're going to have to dismiss the

> first 5 years of that 5-10 year plan of yours,

> given that the 'muppets' that delivered Brexit

> are, surprise, surprise, still in charge, and

> might well be for the full 10 years. Then what?

>

> I note no mention of the social impact Brexit is

> having, in particular as Seph alludes to, Northern

> Ireland and the peace process, all foreseen. Is

> that a price worth paying for your concept,

> acceptable collateral damage (no pun intended)?

> Which reminds me, you wouldn't have been living

> here during the Troubles, it wasn't nice, even on

> the Mainland. Will it need a couple of terrorist

> bombs to go off in London to make you sit up and

> notice?

>

> I thought that you could've at least pointed me in

> some direction beyond a simplistic 'concept', say

> a Norway style deal that would've at least

> addressed the issue of NI. A half-way house

> reflecting the closeness of the vote, gave both

> sides the opportunity to either later form closer

> ties with the EU or pull further away, depending

> how things went. Surely that's more in keeping

> with a 5-10 year plan than living in hope that one

> day a more competent Gov might or might not rock

> up...

Yes, my real name is Kenny Rogers.....

[Sephiroth]

The reason there is a direct link between the clowns in government and Brexit is that if you had anything else, Brexit wouldn?t exist

Brexit required years and years of saying ?sunlit uplands, no downside? to get it narrowly over the line (so it could then be interpreted by any group of clowns in power)

If Brexit was presented as Cat tries to it would have been strangled at birth.

The whole thing is a fraud. But that?s ok because Johnson is a fraud. And too many people are absolutely fine with that

[Blah Blah]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> The fact that there is an investigation (in fact 3 now) to try and uncover who initially stumped up the money for the flat refurbishment when he could just tell us is unbelievable. What an absolute waste of time, money and effort. What is he playing at? It makes me think there must be something really shady about it for him to be burning political capital on it and amplifying the story through his silence. >

This is mail on the head. Playing for time and costing the taxpayers more money for investigations that inevitably will leave him nowhere to hide. The only question is what happens then? When the game is over and the truth is out, is he going to still claim he never broke the rules? Personally, I am fed up of tw@ts like Boris Johnson and his cronies.

[Blah Blah]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> It?s not about ?being better people?. It?s just

> that the choice of remaining meant not messing

> with peoples lives and economies on made up

> promises.

And this is it exactly. You do realise CAT that some people are losing their entire livelihoods for your experimental Brexit project. They can't afford to wait 10 years to see if it was worth it. There are NO good economic outcomes yet as a result of Brexit, not a single one, and that is before we get into the ramifications of the pandemic on top. Even banking, which was 20 percent of our economy, has now moved trillions out of the UK to the EU. All of this was predicted and warned about and dismissed as project fear. Major trade deals take years to negotiate, not in 'an afternoon over a cup of tea', as the charlatans now running government claimed. Again, remainers tried to get that across and were dismissed.

[Blah Blah]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Yes, my real name is Kenny Rogers.....

Almost as flippant an answer as Rees Mogg in Parliament when asked about damage to the fishing sector. You were asked about the mess now evolving in NI Cat. Have the decency to answer that at least.

[Sephiroth]

And here is Brexit and this Govt in a nutshell

Remember when fishing was going to be the one clear obvious win?

?Gov?t response to fishermen left unemployed by failure to agree a Norway deal, is quite something:

?We have always been clear that we will only strike agreements if they are balanced.?

I guess we all IMAGINED their promises to the fishing industry. ~AA https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/black-day-hull-fishermen-without-5359979

[Sephiroth]

But as we know, People like Cat aren?t fishermen

They aren?t Irish.

They can dismiss these things as ?not something the public care about?

And yet, when people like us warned of these consequences we weren?t told ?no one cares about these matters?

We were told ?fishermen will be the big winners and Northern Ireland won?t face any problems ?

But if we go back to 2016 and told people both fishermen and Northern Ireland would be screwed, do we think Brexit would have won?

No. No it wouldn?t

(And these are but the first manifestations of the losing that is heading to the rest of Britain in the coming years)

[keano77]

?... I note no mention of the social impact Brexit is having, in particular as Seph alludes to, Northern Ireland and the peace process...?

EU?s fault.

They?ll soon realise they need to row back. Risking re-igniting the troubles just so they can earn a few cents on a tin of beans (in the name of protecting the single market) shows political naivety. They?ll learn.

Here?s a smiley 😐

[Sephiroth]

Jesus wept

[keano77]

I see we?ve allowed their ambassador-ino to become a real man. Hope he realises NI is now the EU?s problem.

[Sephiroth]

?If Brussels and Dublin ?

F@@k me. Where were you people when people like me were saying Brexit would lead to this.

England has forced this situation. Not Dublin. Not Brussels