Rye Lane NEWSFLASH buses to return !

[intexasatthe moment]

new https://www.southwark.gov.uk/news/2021/jul/rye-lane-to-reopen-to-buses

here

https://peckhamstreetspace.commonplace.is/

[Jules-and-Boo]

I think it?s great. There should be more areas that are traffic free

[sally buying]

Perhaps if you were in the position of having to walk miles to get a bus you might change your mind.

There are no convenient bus stops around. But as you live in East Dulwich that does not concern you.

[jazzer]

Totally agree with Sally buying, this is total madness, The majority of Rye Lane is already closed to traffic. If you rely on public transport getting to around the station is a nightmare. All the side roads are closed off so stopping access, all this will do is to slowly but surely strangle the remaining life out of Rye Lane.

sally buying Wrote:

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> Perhaps if you were in the position of having to

> walk miles to get a bus you might change your

> mind.

>

> There are no convenient bus stops around. But as

> you live in East Dulwich that does not concern

> you.

[Spartacus]

There's no joined up travel connections on Rye Lane now, zero chance for the disabled or elderly to shop on it as they can't get there by bus.

The Lane should be reopened to buses at a minimum !

Not everyone can walk or cycle and it's discrimination against the disabled and elderly.

[Jules-and-Boo]

yes - sorry - agree buses should be

[Nigello]

The buses ought to be brought back to the Lane. The drivers are on the whole more likely to be cycle-friendly due to training and the presence of a public asset is needed to democratise the street. Rye Lane is part treasure, part midden. Pedestrians and cycles are to be encouraged but not at the expense of those who choose a different way of getting around. I don?t like the feeling of Rye Lane especially near the south end: it?s often empty and just feels lacking life there. The litter and ubiquitous graffiti doesn?t help, but councillors and officers just don?t get involved in the same way they do a mile or so south (cf. LTNs at Melbourne Grove, etc.). 🤨

[jazzer]

Absolutely agree with sentiments expressed by Jules, Nigello and Spartacus

[Lynne]

Completely agree. Bring back the buses. This is just driving trade to supermarkets with carparks.

[Pugwash]

I used to go down the Lane regularly but no longer do so as unless I am going to Boots or HSBC. I wait for a 12 bus which takes me there. Would like to go to Iceland again but would struggle carrying shopping (even with a trolley) to the nearest bus stops. Bring back the buses.

If I need to go to Iceland I now take the car to the Camberwell branch. Unfortunately adding to traffic pollution.

[intexasatthe moment]

I'm not firing on all cylinders today so may have missed something glaringly obvious but -

what's the significance of the colour coding of the pins on the commomplace map ?

eg this comment "My access is now limited,I cannot walk from one end of Rye lane to the other with luggage or shopping. I cannot visit small shops or businesses without help from others.I now feel excluded from retail experiences,and casual socialising that shopping in an area brings.I feel excluded because I am not as mobile, or ride a bicycle."

is attached to an orange pin

this

"The buses ought to be brought back to the Lane. The drivers are on the whole more likely to be cycle-friendly due to training and the presence of a public asset is needed to democratise the street. Rye Lane is part treasure, part midden. Pedestrians and cycles are to be encouraged but not at the expense of those who choose a different way of getting around. I don?t like the feeling of Rye Lane especially near the south end: it?s often empty and just feels lacking life there. The litter and ubiquitous graffiti doesn?t help, but councillors and officers just don?t get involved in the same way they do a mile or so south (cf. LTNs at Melbourne Grove, etc.). 🤨"

is a sort yellowy green

this

"i fully support the road is open as it make it easy for our customer to access as many customer complain about walking down from a far may them change their mind and it have great impact on our sales"

is green

If you look at the map there seems to be a majority of green pins ,which to me gives the impression that there is a majority of comments supporting the measures .

It's only if you scroll through "all comments " that you get a more balanced view .Which seems to be improve access to station and shops for those burdened with bags/children/ageing /disabled bodies .

[alice]

Strange. I shall examine the status of my pro bus comments.

[malumbu]

I lobbied Southwark a few years ago about parking offences on Rye Lane. Whilst there was no vehicular access durinf normal times there were always numerous cars parked on the double yellow lines, causing large delays for buses. The Southwark red jacketed parking enforcement officers seemed to have no role in ticketing these drivers - I did question them one day and they told me that they were there to do some sort of traffic management. Odd. I did get some data on parking offences using an FOI and had a very good response, and there were a surprisingly large number of tickets issued, although this didn't seem to put off the illegal parkers. I posted the FOI response some time ago, probably on the lounge.

But I think it is great that those cars have now been banned.

My second campaign was on buses climbing the curb on the cycle route on the pedestrianised area. Making this into a precinct ten years and the rest ago was brilliant. Sadly the bus lane is a little narrow and when a delivery van is parked on the other side buses tend to move over and mount the curb, damaging it. They have totally ruined this, and lobbing in tarmac from time to time is no substitute. I tried to engage both with TfL and Southwark but got nowhere.

I'd like the whole of Rye Lane to be made into a pedestrian precinct ie by laying down a new road surface, with different colours as necessary. Cycling through it is a bit crazy as many pedestrians do not look and wonder across the road. And all us cyclists should watch our speed, now it is car free. That is not an excuse for anti-cyclist posts, just an acknowledgement that the pedestrianised road is there to share.

Stopped using the 363 and 63 for longer journeys due to delays around the Elephant when they did the gyratory a few years ago. That no doubt helps the flow of traffic entering from Camberwell direction but causes delays from Westminster/Blackfriars/Waterloo and going North down the New Kent Road. Tend to do 176 and 185 that I have used occasionally since the first lockdown. I'll walk or cycle to Peckham nowadays and still enjoy shopping there (Can you beat Khan's for the eclectic products and prices?? I'm looking forward to the next stages of regen.)

As for buses for those less able than me? I wonder if some form of travellator would work from the new bus stops, I can't see some shuttle light rail type solution being affordable. Perhaps others could be imaginative and suggest other solutions beyond reopening the road to buses.

I rarely drive to the shops. Most of my shopping is done on foot or bike - my guilty indulgence is getting the bulk stuff delivered. A friend who gave up their car on environmental/cost reasons considers that cabs/Uber are not a luxury but an occasional necessity when you have a big shop.

[hammerman]

There was a report in the Southwark News and the South London Press this week about how many shops and businesses are being affected by the sudden closure of Rye Lane to buses and traffic. This suddenly happened in July last year with no prior warning to those businesses and people who lived and worked in the area.

Rye Lane has always been served by buses and people rely on these buses to help them with their shopping and just to be part of the area.

As a regular shopper by bus to Rye Lane, I have reluctantly had to give this up as I can no longer get there safely as part of a health problem. Many shops in the area have suffered since Southwark Council suddenly made Rye Lane a no go area. Southwark Labour MPs in the area should be holding their heads in shame for the inconvenience and lack of action to get the area back on its feet.

[Blah Blah]

It's a difficult one. Shopping areas need good transport links. Rye Lane however is a narrow road, with narrow pavements, with all these different users competing for space. I wonder if making the lane one way is an option? Pavement on one side could widened, with laybys for delivery vehicles and drop off points for taxis and station etc.

I am a keen cyclist, but there are other routes I can take to bypass Rye Lane altogether, and I frequently use them now. It strikes me that any transport plan, prioritises the business that live in Rye lane. So that means anything that helps get shoppers to and around the lane. Pedestrianising everything is lovely in an ideal world, but there are business realities here, and to be honest, the lane has turned into a bit of a free for all. I find myself having to watch out far more, for electric scooters, mopeds and pedestrians, than I would as part of a normal traffic flow.

[sally buying]

hammerman Wrote:

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> There was a report in the Southwark News and the

> South London Press this week about how many shops

> and businesses are being affected by the sudden

> closure of Rye Lane to buses and traffic. This

> suddenly happened in July last year with no prior

> warning to those businesses and people who lived

> and worked in the area.

>

> Rye Lane has always been served by buses and

> people rely on these buses to help them with their

> shopping and just to be part of the area.

>

> As a regular shopper by bus to Rye Lane, I have

> reluctantly had to give this up as I can no longer

> get there safely as part of a health problem.

> Many shops in the area have suffered since

> Southwark Council suddenly made Rye Lane a no go

> area. Southwark Labour MPs in the area should be

> holding their heads in shame for the inconvenience

> and lack of action to get the area back on its

> feet.

Southwark Labour MPs in the area should be

> holding their heads in shame for the inconvenience

> and lack of action to get the area back on its

> feet."

Not only MP's but local Cllrs, particularly the deputy Council Leader who lives there. They are doing this so they cannot see what a mess the whole thing is about. Thought closure was due to the pandemic did not notice much social distancing then or now so it should be reopened.

[malumbu]

It would be helpful if rather than resorting to criticising Southwark - there are 1000s of posts already about the LTN - we could be more constructive. I tried to do that late last night.

For example are there backways that could be opened up to keep bikes away from Rye Lane. Can buses get any closer to the station? Are there ways of assisting those with difficulties walking and/or heavy shopping to the nearest bus stop?

The continual criticism of Southwark, whether justified or not, is tiresome. Look ahead please.

[malumbu]

Sadly can't see an obvious way of rerouting bikes, perhaps an high level cycle route! Other imaginative suggestions welcome.

[rupert james]

I thought Southwark had implemented quietways to address this problem?

Also perhaps Southwark Council should take a look at this problem by using a financial trading rule. Reopen Rye lane as before, admit it was wrong to close and accept the first loss is always the cheapest loss. You are then able to look with a clean trading book and not trading of the back foot all the time with wrong positions.

Unfortunately Southwark will never admit they are wrong.

[malumbu]

So apart from concerns for some bus users due to age, carrying heavy shopping, young families and the like and we in agreement that making Rye Lane vehicle free is a good thing?

Quietways are a TfL initiative, good things too, but can't see how one be introduced to take bikes away from Rye Lane.

[hammerman]

Anyone can drive a bike wherever they want as I have witnessed many times lately i.e. on pavements, jumping traffic lights etc. and Southwark and Lambeth are clambering to accommodate this in their scenarios. Unfortunately they are leaving out car and bus driver routes which have been in place for many years.

I passed my driving test age 19 in 1982. I feel sorry for youngsters in the same position nowadays.

[malumbu]

Don't understand why so many people feel that any thread involving roads is a reason to have a go at cyclists.

The world has changed since 1982, I've managed to change too.

[Spartacus]

I think Malumbu, the reason is because cyclists are often aggressive towards car drivers and sometimes pedestrians.

I think the only answer is an in person meeting when it's safe to do with a big bowl of a hallucinogenic type tobacco product that everyone can participate in to come to a joint consensus on how everyone can all use the road together

May not work but what a meeting it will be and the munchies after will support a local business for days 🤔

[BrandNewGuy]

malumbu Wrote:

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> So apart from concerns for some bus users due to

> age, carrying heavy shopping, young families and

> the like and we in agreement that making Rye Lane

> vehicle free is a good thing?

No, we need the buses back. A transport hub as locally important as Peckham Rye station needs to be served by buses.

[jazzer]

BrandNewGuy Wrote:

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> malumbu Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > So apart from concerns for some bus users due

> to

> > age, carrying heavy shopping, young families

> and

> > the like and we in agreement that making Rye

> Lane

> > vehicle free is a good thing?

>

> No, we need the buses back. A transport hub as

> locally important as Peckham Rye station needs to

> be served by buses.

Yes, Yes, Yes