Lordship lane Co-op wants to open 23/7

[James Barber]

Hi ianr,

I've an outstanding query of what if any planning conditions this shop unit has.

As you say nothing on the web so outdated the web.

Suspect officers have to recall files from archive hence delay.

As soon as I have any update I'll post it hear.

Hi sue,

I fish out that post and correct it. Apologies for missing that.

Regards james

[Sue]

Thanks James, my claws are now back in :)

[James Barber]

For those that wish to attend the licensing hearing it will now take place 10am 30 May at room G02A, 160 Tooley Street, SE1.

Please see attached hearing letter, comittee procedures and proforma if you'd like to tell the committee you're going.

We're now trying to one of the East dulwich councillors to change leave from day jobs to cover this. Do tell us if you're planning to attend.

[the-e-dealer]

Very Clever meeting when everyone is at work.

[Sue]

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> Very Clever meeting when everyone is at work.

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Well people have already have the opportunity to comment if they want, and maybe the council people concerned want to have the meeting during their normal working hours!

[James Barber]

Hi Sue,

Planning meetings are during the evening. They use to largely be local but now centred on council HQ at 160 Tooley Street, SE1. Quite close to London Bridge station. So no reason why licensing meetings in theory couldnt be during the evening unless the license applicant is more importants than residents. Te former tend to be a tiny team at most and the latter tend to be many more when contentious.

The trouble is the system is already slanted to favour applicants. The burden of proof is residents proving something will cause harm - a complete reversal of the pre Tessa Jowell 2003 licensing law.

To make it even more painful you have to register at least a week in advance that you're going to go. Hardly a publci meeting.

The obvious thing to do is hld meetings in the day or evening dependant upon the people expressing an interest. If no one is interested use a daytime meeting. IF people have expressed an interest hold it in the evening or a Saturday preferably in the area involved.

[the-e-dealer]

Most Officer's working hours include evening meetings.

Licensing often used to be in the evening especially if local residents had concerns. Not sure when it changed. Lord knows why so many meetings are at Tooley Street.

[Southerner39]

Good god is this thread still banginging on???

1, Co-op dont do 24hr stores (only some petrol forecourts).

2, Im quite sure there isnt the trade.

3, They have a night crew that fill the shop at night because the shop is too busy in the day.

4, But most importantly,Has anyone actualy asked the store or headoffice what there plans are???

TT

[James Barber]

Hi Southerner39,

Then why have they applied for this?

[UncleBen]

Well said Sue. To sell food past 11pm you need a licence-reason 1. Reason 2. They are extending their hours of trade including the selling of alcohol. No mystery. I think it will be detrimental to the area but much less so than local bars such as Adventure that already have their licence and so I won't object.

[Southerner39]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi Southerner39,

> Then why have they applied for this?

Yet again I say, Have you asked?

[franki_k]

I don't think anything that potentially brings a little convenience to people's lives can be a wholly bad thing, and while I recognise the argument that it may mean more noise for the residents, I suspect the volume of anticipated added 'traffic' to the store is probably being somewhat exaggerated...

[Michael Palaeologus]

All too often these planning decisions, or rather the arguments of the anti's, get mixed with party politics.

Thus if you are not in power you don't want anything beneficial to be agreed by those that are in power. Thus you think up allot of spurious guff about more noise, more drunks emigrating into the area and more road-train sized lorries on the Lane. This excites the easily led and you canter in as their saviour. Again.

Wake up people!!

[the-e-dealer]

No they don't you are wrong. The Liberals Never opposed anything that would benefit the Borough and neither did the Labour party.

[James Barber]

The licensing sub-committee meets 10am 30 May at Southwark Council HQ 160 Tooley Street - 5mins stroll from London Bridge:

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?id=28894

[ianr]

From Appendix C of the associated papers linked to by James:

"The above application is not for a 24 hours alcohol licence. It is for the sale of alcohol to start from 6am instead of 7am in the

morning and finish at the current time which is 23.00. It also has a request to to include late night refreshment till 05.00.

The premises intends to be open 24hours and technically licensing does not have jurisdiction on these, however comments

can be made on the licensable activities stated above.

kind regards

Dorcas Mills

Principal Licensing Officer

[ianr]

The minutes of the Licensing Sub-committee meeting of 30 May are at last available, at http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=28894.

On Item 5, the Co-op application, we have:

"The licensing officer advised that this application had been withdrawn by the applicant."

[Romnarz]

If the coop are daft enough to think that people are stupid and want to shop 24/7 then let them. I cant see there being a huge number of cars fighting for a parking place at 2 am.Most big supermarkets have stopped all hours opening because there was NOT enough demand.

[Sue]

Romnarz Wrote:

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> If the coop are daft enough to think that people

> are stupid and want to shop 24/7 then let them. I

> cant see there being a huge number of cars

> fighting for a parking place at 2 am.Most big

> supermarkets have stopped all hours opening

> because there was NOT enough demand.

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Perhaps that is why they have withdrawn their application .....

[Lin Henden]

For gods sake give us a bit of peace at night! The crossing outside the Bishop goes ding, ding, ding roughly about every 5 seconds until late in the evening. Can we get a silencer fitted for after 11pm?

[KalamityKel]

Romnarz Wrote:

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> If the coop are daft enough to think that people

> are stupid and want to shop 24/7 then let them. I

> cant see there being a huge number of cars

> fighting for a parking place at 2 am.Most big

> supermarkets have stopped all hours opening

> because there was NOT enough demand.

When are people going to understand they hadn't applied for the amendment with the intention to actually use the hours given (if it was granted...) but for the option to do so if they wanted to?!

It's not rocket science.