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The real question is

Regardless of political party or current role in government or shadow governents, who would you vote for as prime minister if there was an election tomorrow ?


To be honest my choice is simply none of the current MPs

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Their appeal to populism & nationalism, their

> capture of elite support though government favours

> to the wealthy (VIP lanes), limits on public

> protest and extension of executive power

> (proroguing parliament), attacks on legal

> professionals ('activist lawyers') and now on the

> independent media through threats against the BBC

> and privatisation of Channel 4... it's all pretty

> worrying imo.



Yes.

There's been plenty of U-turns under Johnson's Gov, but the one today on whether Tory MPs could have a free vote on an investigation into whether Johnson misled parliament, rather than whipped to vote to block it, does feel significant.


Could be a sign that Johnson has lost control of his backbenchers, despite having such a huge majority.

While the cat's away the mice will play...

Are then any MPs who are decent people who actually achieve anything of any importance? Not just write letters that have no effect.


Or are the only things that MPs effectively influence and change are those things that are self serving and ego boosting.


Is it possible to be an effective MP who achieves useful things of local or national importance without being self serving and egotistical.


It's a genuine question, I'm trying to think of a good and successfully influential one.



Waseley Wrote:

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''Funny how the term defend the indefensible was used today in parliament. Either politicians are tuning into the forum, or/and they are fans if 5 Live's Fighting talk''


I heard that too on Newsnight last night and also the reporter Nicholas Watt use ''while the cat's away...''.

Obviously just a coincidence but there are a number of journos who live in the area who could well tune-in to the forum...

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> This is good on the absolute piece of garbage

>

> https://philipstephens.substack.com/p/the-last-day

> s-of-boris-johnson?utm_source=twitter



Wow good article.

No conjecture !

My word even the Leader of the Opposition is using this term now. What did I start. Interesting that he is distancing himself from the current misogyny row. Strange times. You can always tell when an official has carefully created a response - no doubt with briefing not to crack a joke or go off on a strange tangent aka dead cat.

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