The UK Government has made calorie labelling mandatory for all restaurants, pubs and cafes with 250

[DulwichFox]

The UK Government has made calorie labelling mandatory for all restaurants, pubs and cafes with 250 or more employees from April 2022.

General rule so also applies to East Dulwich Cafes and Restaurants...

How many Cafes and Restaurants anywhere have 250 employees.. ?

DulwichFox

[Sephiroth]

quite a lot on the Lane surely? Starting with EDT/Antic and including loads as you progress up/down - yer Franco Mancas/Meatliquors/Bishop(Greene King) etc

[JohnL]

Is it the chain that has 250 employees or the local pub (are they franchises or directly managed or something else)

No way will they label beer - if anything I've noticed there are no price lists on the wall in lots of pubs - you just buy it and pay whatever the price is - so where will the calorie list go for my pint of Camden Hells.

[Angelina]

It would be good if they had to show sugar content.

[Spartacus]

Angelina Wrote:

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> It would be good if they had to show sugar

> content.

Plus carbohydrates, fat and salt as they are all important when looking at food.

[DulwichFox]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> quite a lot on the Lane surely? Starting with

> EDT/Antic and including loads as you progress

> up/down - yer Franco

> Mancas/Meatliquors/Bishop(Greene King) etc

They are also taling about Cafes. How many Cafes are Chains... ??

[Sephiroth]

Not many - so I guess they will be exempt

I think the whole thing is misguided anyway

[j.a.]

I?m not convinced this will make a huge difference to obesity on its own, but a) it?s a step in the right direction, and b) more information is never a bad thing where this is concerned.

If it alerts people to the frankly staggering amount of calories that it?s easy to consume without releasing when purchasing meals out then I think it?s helpful. At least it?s an informed decision if you decide to get that burger or whatever. The rest is up to the individual.

[Spartacus]

Did anyone watch the Michael Mosley documentary on "who made Britain fat" ?

Whilst food labelling is a positive step, he pointed out that things like sports washing fast food and delivery services are still a problem that will accelerate the obesity crisis.

[ianr]

In response to JohnL:

"drinks containing more than 1.2% by volume of alcohol" are defined as "exempt foods" here.

I thought there was a legal requirement for a price list to be available in all public bars?

Generally, if there's a franchise agreement to provide food, and there's a common look and business model applied, it's the franchisor that'll be the qualifying business so far as employment numbers go. That would seem to go for the eating part of pubs too. Full definitive details at The Calorie Labelling (Out of Home Sector) (England) Regulations 2021.

I'm surprised they're not giving out free "adults need around 2000 kcal a day" badges for us all to wear.

[fishbiscuits]

JohnL Wrote:

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> No way will they label beer - if anything I've

> noticed there are no price lists on the wall in

> lots of pubs - you just buy it and pay whatever

> the price is - so where will the calorie list go

> for my pint of Camden Hells.

Tip for people trying to maintain a healthy diet : don't drink a lot of beer.

That's about all you need to know really.

(I am failing in this regard, personally)

[JohnL]

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Tip for people trying to maintain a healthy diet :

> don't drink a lot of beer.

La la la la lalalal :)

apparently its about 200 kcal per beer - proper low carb beer is in the process of being invented apparently

[malumbu]

Price marking order for booze in pubs went a long time ago, I think under the Blair government, I assume as they were good mates with the alcohol industry and deregulated much. I voted for him BTW. Few pubs displayed prices and enforcement was low. Typical of Southwark eh? Concentrating on illegal sales of booze and fags, dodgy cosmetic products, dangerous electrical goods, knock off products etc.

The only price marking is now for filling stations to help shop around.

[Angelina]

Champagne has relatively low calories compared to wine.

I think calories consumed is the wrong measure as it's not the right focus.

You can count your calories as much as you want but you also need to think about what you are actually eating and the impact on your body.

Sugar is a real problem. It has some many serious health risks (diabetes, weight, teeth etc), but is quite normalised. Look at the sugar content in the breakfast cereals you give your kids.

And as Spartacus says carbs, fat and salt are also things you should watch.

[Nigello]

People eating too much (or drinking) and not moving enough is the problem. How to convince us to do less of the first and more of the second is hard so having a reminder via the calorie labelling method could at least light a spark. It?s not perfect but nothing is so I?m broadly for it.

[Hassie]

I am against it. For those with eating disorders this information creates yet another barrier to overcoming anxiety around maintaining a healthy diet. Eating disorder charities believe that this action can increase fixations on restricting calories for anyone with anorexia or bulimia.

[Spartacus]

Nigello Wrote:

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> People eating too much (or drinking) and not

> moving enough is the problem. How to convince us

> to do less of the first and more of the second is

> hard so having a reminder via the calorie

> labelling method could at least light a spark.

> It?s not perfect but nothing is so I?m broadly for

> it.

I would recommend that viewing the Michael Mosley documentary on catch up will give you cause to think about the first part (eating less) and some interesting facts about exercise alone won't help.

If nothing more, it's a fascinating investigation

[Sue]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Did anyone watch the Michael Mosley documentary on

> "who made Britain fat" ?

>

> Whilst food labelling is a positive step, he

> pointed out that things like sports washing fast

> food and delivery services are still a problem

> that will accelerate the obesity crisis.

Washing???!!!

I didn't see the documentary, but his books are very good

[Spartacus]

Sports washing is where they associate junk food with sports or sport activities to give the impression that it is somehow a healthy choice or can be a reward for healthy activity

[Sue]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Sports washing is where they associate junk food

> with sports or sport activities to give the

> impression that it is somehow a healthy choice or

> can be a reward for healthy activity

Ah, OK!

[Spartacus]

Whilst this is a divergence from tje topic of this thread, this article shows how food manufacturers sometimes try and wiggle out of legislation that's being introduced to curb obesity

BBC News - Kellogg's in court battle over new rules for high-sugar cereals

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61238630

[KidKruger]

If you?re happy to eat food made in factories you?re automatically dependent on the outcome of games these manufacturers play with legislation / licensing / whatever.

It?s processed food. That in itself should be the warning - it?s not real, it?s concocted food.

[Spartacus]

This is a blow in the fight to cut obesity

BBC News - Junk food: Obesity strategy falling apart, Jamie Oliver says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61449921

Whilst no one wants a nanny state, removing temptation is a key ingredient in fighting obesity.

I wonder if the government department sugared the deal with the food manufacturers ?

[teddyboy23]

What with prices shooting up on everything including food parents with youngsters are probably more worried how to feed their kids than what it saids on the tin

[NewWave]

I think just having calorie content is misleading..

Fat, salt, and sugar content are also important to know.

Its healthier to eat a 750 calorie dish with low fat and sugar content than a 500 calorie one thats high in both.