jazzer Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Below I have attempted to pick out bus routes which will most affect SE15, SE22 and SE23, please read and share.This is something I feel cross party and borough councillors from both Southwark and Lewisham need to work together on.Don't forget TfL's motto "Every journey matters", it sure don't feel like that from these proposals that not only include losing the No. 12 bus service but also the 78.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61660409[haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk][haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk][www.cityam.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com][ehq-production-europe.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]Routes 1 (Tottenham Court Road-Canada Water) and 168 (Hampstead Heath-Old Kent Road) would be axed, although a new route would run from Hampstead Heath to Canada Water using most of the 1 and 168 routeing would be introduced. The new route is 'provisionally numbered' 1 but its actual number will be defined after the consultationRoute 188 (Russell Square-North Greenwich) would be changed to start from Tottenham Court Road instead of Russell Square Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Seems sensibleNeed to get more traffic off the road and get everyone riding bicycles. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 heh Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasely Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 No need to mock cycling. There is no other solution to the traffic crisis. Cutting buses will force people to cycle, thus reducing the amount of traffic on the road and the emissions. There is no need for buses in East Dulwich. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 get real Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 CPR Dave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Seems sensible> > Need to get more traffic off the road and get everyone riding bicycles.What about Elderly and Disabled People.Do you expect them to ride bicycles.I'm Elderly and recovering from Hip Surgery.Think before you postDulwichFox Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Cutting buses won't force people to cycle. They'll just stop going in to Central London and work from home instead. It's a shame for a lot of people who rely on physical work in town like waiters and cleaners etc, but if there is no transport there will be no business in central London. the whole city will decline from the middle outwards, just like Detroit did. And the poorest will be hit hardest by that sadly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 CPR Dave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Cutting buses won't force people to cycle. They'll> just stop going in to Central London and work from> home instead. It's a shame for a lot of people who> rely on physical work in town like waiters and> cleaners etc, but if there is no transport there> will be no business in central London. > > the whole city will decline from the middle> outwards, just like Detroit did. And the poorest> will be hit hardest by that sadly.I've hit the virtual like button on this post as it makes so much sense Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed26 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I lived in a town with 20-min bus services. The bus co reduced the frequency to 30 mins. The number of passengers consequently declined so they reduced the frequency to 60 mins. After you've just missed a bus and had to wait 59 mins for the next one, you vow never to take the bus again and you drive into the town centre.The point is that the bus co took one bus an hour off the service to save a few quid, and it completely decimated it. This is exactly what has been happening in London and will continue to happen until the services are as unreliable as they were 15-20 years ago. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1582997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 You'd think this would have been a golden opportunity for TfL to take money off Soutehrn rail when overground services were also being reduced. For people stuck at ED waiting 30 minutes for the next train they could have offered a ?1 bus service into London Bridge on number 40. Would take the same time and many people would then spend money getting on the tube. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bic Basher Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 weasely Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> No need to mock cycling. There is no other> solution to the traffic crisis. Cutting buses will> force people to cycle, thus reducing the amount of> traffic on the road and the emissions. There is no> need for buses in East Dulwich.That's poor trolling there. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 You are one stop beyond East Ham.CPR Dave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Seems sensible> > Need to get more traffic off the road and get> everyone riding bicycles. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Well let?s hope the government sorts out funding and supporting our vital transport service.TFL are right to reduce number of buses, it means that journeys will be faster as less traffic.If one route is proposed to be cut and it will have consequences, you need to tell them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 It will result in longer waits and journey times, " the driver has been told to wait at this stop to help even out the service". The only people to suffer will be us, Joe Public, just like normal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 No, it means that journeys will be faster. You can find out when the bus is coming. City Mapper app has real time GPS. So you can to the bus stop at the right time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Chick Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> You are one stop beyond East Ham.> > > CPR Dave Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Seems sensible> > > > Need to get more traffic off the road and get> > everyone riding bicycles.Woof woof 😂 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 CPR Dave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Seems sensible> > Need to get more traffic off the road and get> everyone riding bicycles.Not everyone CAN ride bicycles!!!I'd love to but I'm 63 years old and have hip and knee problems and am unable to start learning to ride a bike despite my physical issues.What a ridiculous statement! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 DulwichFox Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> CPR Dave Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Seems sensible> > > > Need to get more traffic off the road and get> everyone riding bicycles.> > What about Elderly and Disabled People.> > Do you expect them to ride bicycles.> > I'm Elderly and recovering from Hip Surgery.> > Think before you post> > DulwichFoxExactly this!thank you. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogkennelhillbilly Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 NewWave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> CPR Dave Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Seems sensible> > > > Need to get more traffic off the road and get> > everyone riding bicycles.> > Not everyone CAN ride bicycles!!!> I'd love to but I'm 63 years old and have hip and> knee problems and am unable to start learning to> ride a bike despite my physical issues.> What a ridiculous statement!It turns out the difference between someone (CPR Dave) being ironically stupid and merely stupid is nothing... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Didn't Labour Councillors make some sort of pledge to tackle rail services locally? Cannot remember if this extended to bus services too? Either way, what exactly are they now doing re rail services? Even more important if local bus services are being decimated. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 If we?re talking about trains? how about reducing obscene profits from ticket prices? National rail travel is outrageously expensive. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Angelina Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> If we?re talking about trains? how about reducing> obscene profits from ticket prices? National rail> travel is outrageously expensive.We are not talking about National rail here (and yes I agree with you the prices are indeed crazy).This is about TFL and cutting of local services. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 My comment was about councillors intervening in rail services. Do they have that power? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetgirl Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309837-tfl-proposed-cuts-and-changes-to-bus-services-in-south-and-central-london/#findComment-1583770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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