One Dulwich have met with Cllr McAsh

[Rockets]

Yes but the leafleting isn't about a local election its about the Mayoral election and the opposition trying to pull every lever to try and get Sadiq out of office. Sadiq has gift-wrapped them all something to attack him on (very much in the same way that Boris gift wrapped the council elections by giving Labour something to focus on that meant they didn't get dragged into a local issues debate/battle).

 

I am still struggling to find the reference to installing borough-wide CPZs in their manifesto.....have you found it yet?

[mr.chicken]

2 hours ago, Rockets said:

the opposition trying to pull every lever to try and get Sadiq out of office.

That is literally their job. I'm pretty sure they'd be doing it either way.

2 hours ago, Rockets said:

Sadiq has gift-wrapped them all something to attack him on

So say the Tories. I'm not inclined to take everything they say at face value.

2 hours ago, Rockets said:

very much in the same way that Boris gift wrapped the council elections by giving Labour something to focus on

I voted Labour because of the LTNs specifically. I didn't vote Lib Dem because they promised to remove them. But tell me, how did Boris persuade people to move their votes from Lib Dem to Labour?

The Lib Dems leaned in on anti-LTN stuff, and saw their vote share drop.

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, mr.chicken said:

So say the Tories. I'm not inclined to take everything they say at face value.

I think you'll find the action's of Labour' HQ and a host of Labour front benchers would suggest this isn't just the Tories who are showing an interest in the problems he is creating. Of course this is political opportunism but one that has been delivered with a bow on it by Sadiq and is causing Labour HQ a huge headache.

 

1 hour ago, mr.chicken said:

But tell me, how did Boris persuade people to move their votes from Lib Dem to Labour

Because Labour made it solely about sticking it to Boris and nothing about local issues - Boris was the gift for the council. In fact, and I am not sure if you got these through your door, but Labour's local election flyers led with the headline something along the lines of "a vote for Labour is a vote against Boris".

The British electorate love a good protest vote, especially in local elections, and Sadiq might be prompting one in the outer suburbs around the mayoral election.

[mr.chicken]

On 20/08/2023 at 23:29, Rockets said:

I think you'll find the action's of Labour' HQ and a host of Labour front benchers

So?

Have you seen Starmer? His policies, if they can be called that, involve taking whatever the conservatives are doing that hasn't been ruled literally illegal and shuffling a half step to the left. The guy's absolutely a (small c) conservative and would be pretty much aligned with the Tories if they hadn't swung so far right. He's also a terrible leader.

On subsequent days he defended Kahn saying he was legally obliged to make the ULEZ then attacked him repeating the Tory talking points. That is beyond pathetic.

Starmer is terrified of losing old red wall votes and is convinced that they buy into all the Tory culture war crap, so if the Tories start a whole "wokist London elites are coming for your cars" thing, Starmer will trail dutifully behind. Just like when the Tories attack Starmer's own profession, he trails mutely behind saying nothing.

On 20/08/2023 at 23:29, Rockets said:

Because Labour made it solely about sticking it to Boris and nothing about local issues

This is the old "the electorate are stupid except for me" argument. I voted labour for the first time because of local issues.

There are other credible options locally like the lib dems. They leaned in hard on an anti-LTN stance and they also lost votes. Voting lib dem is ALSO sticking it to the Tories

On 20/08/2023 at 23:29, Rockets said:

The British electorate love a good protest vote,

Voting for the clear majority (which Labour are in Southwark) is not a protest vote. And Labour were not the only choice. The libdems were out in force and I had in person visits and many flyers. They sought to capitalise on Not Tory and Not LTN. Turns out people wanted the former, but not the latter.

On 20/08/2023 at 23:29, Rockets said:

and Sadiq might be prompting one in the outer suburbs around the mayoral election.

What you keep effectively saying is if they vote Labour it's on non local issues (despite people not liking Labours local record) and if they don't vote Labour that shows how much they don't like Labour on local issues. In other words there is no possible poll result which would convince you that you're mistaken about the average voter's attitude.

Note also that the Tories have used their power in Parliament to try and help themselves along in this election by changing it from AV to first past the post. They are the only substantial non progressive party, but the progressive vote is split. Their only hope is that the vote is split enough that they can win on a minority vote.

If it was Labour 30%, Green 30%, Conservative 31%, would conclude that people hate the ULEZ and democracy wins out even with 60% of the vote going to  pro ULEZ parties?

 

 

 

[Rockets]

Gotta love politics - it's never actually about what people want but what the party wants!!!

 

Does anyone know whether Cllr McAsh has come back with the things he promised yet?

[heartblock]

Maybe James feels the same way about Starmer as both Mr. Chicken and I do.. see we can agree on some things, but has  now decided that his change from Marxist to Socialist may change to Centrist in a career swerving adjustment to his personal politics.

All I know is that certain actions were alluded to in order to improve pollution, traffic and noise on East Dulwich Grove, before the local elections with lots of contact and engagement and now....... no engagement with our local resedential group.

 

[Rockets]

Clearly he has got to the point where political survival and longevity usurps ideology...

[Jellybeanz]

Great to see productive meetings happening on LTNs and a more balanced view being taken into account. 

I'm personally against as I don't think they help improve the air quality and just increase pollution (through slow moving traffic on main roads like Lordship Lane and through Dulwich Village) and must be horrendous for those living on those main roads.

Surely the aim has to be to encourage more people to use public transport as well as cycling and walking? LTNs just slow down buses on main roads and as far as I can see benefit a minority of people.