Is there a viable alternative to Sadiq?

[Earl Aelfheah]

When you consider that Susan Hall fought almost her entire campaign on making the air dirtier, fighting a 'pay per mile' scheme that exists only in her head, and talking about how much she hates the city she wanted to lead, it does seem surprising that she didn't win. 

[Sue]

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

When you consider that Susan Hall fought almost her entire campaign on making the air dirtier, fighting a 'pay per mile' scheme that exists only in her head, and talking about how much she hates the city she wanted to lead, it does seem surprising that she didn't win. 

😂😂😂

[malumbu]

Britain First took things to another extreme: "London is fast becoming a Third World cesspit, where crime is rampant and radical Islamist extremists dominate the streets!"  Probably the best outcome for Scanlon is that Orpington returns to Kent, although that would be unfair both on the residents of Kent, and many who live in the London Borough of Bromley irrespective of who the voted for.

Hooray for Count Binface eh?

[CPR Dave]

They were right about pay per mile.

 

[Insuflo]

1 hour ago, CPR Dave said:

They were right about pay per mile.

 

No, they were not. They claimed that Khan would introduce pay-per-mile for all vehicles in London. That was a lie and Khan had no such plans.

The Labour government has now announced pay-per-mile for EVs only nationwide, so they pay a similar duty to combustion engined vehicles. 

[CPR Dave]

The Labour government have introduced pay per mile by starting with eclectic vehicles and petrol electric hybrid vehicles.

They won't stop there. 

And nor will the Mayor.

[malumbu]

Do your own research.  Pay per mile is the most equitable way of raising revenue from driving as you pay, per, mile.  Ideally you'd replace both VED and fuel duty with this, with some weighting for cleaner vehicles.  A more progressive system would change the rate according to the time of day such as the cost for using the tunnels under London.

Electric vehicles were always going to lose the perks once mass adoption was under way.  They will still be far cheaper to run, particularly if you have a home charger using off peak rates (as low as 10p a KWt).  Excise duty has already been introduced for EVs and CC will come in next year.

Stop suggesting it is some sort of conspiracy.

Government have chickened out putting up fuel duty by inflation, again, and reversing the temporary reduction brought in by the last lot.  Cowards.  Pushing me towards the Greens although some of the economic policies are daft. 

 

[CPR Dave]

They will only be cheaper to run using a home charger for so long as the pay per mile rate stays low. But it won't. It will go up and up. As petrol has. We are one of the most expansive countries in the world for petrol and most of the price is tax, plus VAT on the cost and VAT on the tax. The government aren't just going to give that money up.

They will get it back from pay per mile increases.

[malumbu]

No no no and no again.

Pay per mile will hopefully be brought in for all vehicles.  

Governments will continue to decide whether we raise revenue (general taxation) from road vehicles.  Similar to the way we raise money from CGT, inheritance tax, fags and booze.

The last few governments have sadly overseen a reduction in the revenue from motorised transport due to freezing, and then a (supposedly temporary) reduction in fuel duty.  That is 2.4 billion less to spend on hospitals, schools, or whatever.

If you want a low tax, low public service, economy, then you should not live in Western Europe - apart from the odd tax haven although you'd need to sell your £2million house to afford to do this.  And that will buy you a shed in Guernsey.

Fuel prices are loosely similar across Europe.  The exchange rate is an important factor.

Fuel was around 28 p a litre in 1980 (after the Tory government, yes the Tories, added 10% in the budget, yes 10%), that is about £130 a litre nowadays, although the price of crude is the main factor which has been volatile in the last twenty years.

A pint of beer should be around £2.30 a pint in London based on 1980 prices.  It isn't.

 

 

[malumbu]

On 11/03/2024 at 10:23, HeadNun said:

I would genuinely like to know how he, or his GP, can prove that his adult onset asthma is related to London air. 

Because some in the medical profession consider it is.  This recent study published in the Lancet concludes that the link is  not confirmed and that more work needs to be done:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(24)00279-1/fulltext

And the coroner in a landmark, and sad case, included poor air quality as a cause of death:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/10/ellas-law-rosamund-kissi-debrah-air-pollution-death-london

[HeadNun]

Your post doesn't prove that Khan's adult onset asthma is caused by pollution. 

First you posted a link to the Lancet to say there's no clear link to adult onset asthma. 

And then a link to an article saying children can develop asthma from pollution - we all know that. 

Desperate times, Mal? This post smacks of 'I hate common sense'. 

[snowy]

Isn't the point of the second article but that Ella was the first child (and the first person) in the UK to have her cause of death listed as air pollution and principally 'traffic emissions'?

https://www.judiciary.uk/prevention-of-future-death-reports/ella-kissi-debrah/

so slightly more than 'children get asthma' and hence why the coroner wrote the Report to Prevent Future Deaths with points of action for:

1. Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Defra

2. Department for Transport

3. Department of Health and Social Care

4. Mayor of London

5. Transport for London

6. London Borough of Lewisham

7. General Medical Council

8. Health Education England

9. Nursing and Midwifery Council

10. Royal College of Physicians

11. Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health

12. Royal College of General Practitioners

13. NICE

14. British Thoracic Society

[HeadNun]

But no one's arguing that pollution is bad and can cause asthma in children. 

 

[snowy]

Ah, but that adult onset asthma isn't?

[malumbu]

10 hours ago, HeadNun said:

Your post doesn't prove that Khan's adult onset asthma is caused by pollution. 

First you posted a link to the Lancet to say there's no clear link to adult onset asthma. 

And then a link to an article saying children can develop asthma from pollution - we all know that. 

Desperate times, Mal? This post smacks of 'I hate common sense'. 

There is a possibility that poor air quality leads to adult onset asthma.  The Lancet did not confirm this and stated that more work was required.  10,000s of deaths are linked to poor air quality.  Surely it is good that our Mayor wants to further improve air quality.  That is the important aim, rather than pick holes in what he said.

 

 

 

[HeadNun]

Not if he tells lies to achieve his aims, which he does. 

[malumbu]

So because he said something you believe isn't the truth he shouldn't have introduced measures to improve air quality, and reduce deaths and ill health associated with pollution.

Odd logic.

[Earl Aelfheah]

On 26/11/2025 at 20:22, CPR Dave said:

The Labour government have introduced pay per mile by starting with eclectic vehicles and petrol electric hybrid vehicles.

They won't stop there. 

And nor will the Mayor.

Susan Hall issued campaign leaflets that resembled penalty charge notices and claimed Khan had a "secret plan" for pay-per-mile charging. It was totally made up /  a lie.

...and on the susbstance of pay per mile (or rather, what I'd like to see in time - dynamic road pricing) - it is clearly the best way to manage road use. 

Had Hall been voted in we would now have dirtier air and more ill health. 

Edited December 4, 2025 by Earl Aelfheah

[CPR Dave]

Absolute mugs. That's what they take you for.

 

[Sephiroth]

3 o clock in the morning posts about a congestion charge - unlikely to bode well

[Earl Aelfheah]

Last time I looked, electric cars also cause congestion.

[HeadNun]

2 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

3 o clock in the morning posts about a congestion charge - unlikely to bode well

 

Edited December 4, 2025 by HeadNun