World Car Free Day 22nd Sept - street party / play street in East Dulwich?

[Dulwich dweller]

1 minute ago, first mate said:

As for the unnecessary tone on your part (mush);

Proper south London lingo that, mush.

 

3 minutes ago, first mate said:

the forum supports difference of opinion and I will continue to state my views, including on this.

Absolutely and ditto.

 

4 minutes ago, first mate said:

n regard to Gala, no implication, Cllr rose has stated she wants to increase events in our parks, so probably not just Gala if she has her way, more the Brockwell Park model and you probably know what many local residents feel about that. If you don't believe me

Oh i do. I also know that many residents aren't fussed about Gala doing their thing. It's all about opinions isn't it!

[first mate]

Gala doing their thing for three days, what about when it becomes 6 and then yet more events are added to that? In earlier posts you said you were not aware about Gala extending as something that nearly happened and was withdrawn at a late stage.

James McCash has also stated in meetings that he would like to see all cars taken off the streets of Southwark and streets open for children to play in- presumably all the time. So you see, the Council suggestion to have a 'lil partee' to celebrate no cars is underpinned by an intention that extends well beyond just one day.

[Dulwich dweller]

56 minutes ago, first mate said:

Gala doing their thing for three days, what about when it becomes 6 and then yet more events are added to that? In earlier posts you said you were not aware about Gala extending as something that nearly happened and was withdrawn at a late stage.

James McCash has also stated in meetings that he would like to see all cars taken off the streets of Southwark and streets open for children to play in- presumably all the time. So you see, the Council suggestion to have a 'lil partee' to celebrate no cars is underpinned by an intention that extends well beyond just one day.

In your opinion

[first mate]

The opinions expressed are partly mine but much more me just passing on what the council has said it wants to do to increase park hire for private events and ridding the streets of all cars.
 

 I will add to that a possibility that councillors may be seduced by the Lime dollar and remove parking space on every street to make way for Lime e-bike and scooter storage and use. I don't quite know how a proliferation of e-bikes and scooters sits with the aim of getting children to play in the street, not at the speeds I have seen some of them go...

Edited August 15, 2024 by first mate

[Dulwich dweller]

4 minutes ago, first mate said:

The opinions expressed are partly mine but much more me just passing on what the council has said it wants to do in increasing park hire for private events and ridding the streets of all cars.

All cars? Every single car parked on the road? First i've heard of that. Hardly a vote winner and it would be a huge hit in revenue streams for them.

[first mate]

Yes, so it is about balance. Quite how we decide who deserves to use a car remains to be seen but Cllr McAsh did say that; perhaps it was a moment of levity, playing to the 'stakeholder' gallery, who knows. 

[jazzer]

1 hour ago, first mate said:

The opinions expressed are partly mine but much more me just passing on what the council has said it wants to do to increase park hire for private events and ridding the streets of all cars.
 

 I will add to that a possibility that councillors may be seduced by the Lime dollar and remove parking space on every street to make way for Lime e-bike and scooter storage and use. I don't quite know how a proliferation of e-bikes and scooters sits with the aim of getting children to play in the street, not at the speeds I have seen some of them go...

Have you seen the proliferation of Lime bikes on Blenheim Grove? Sooooooooooooooooooooo many Lime bikes in front of All Saints Church. 

[Penguin68]

10 hours ago, Dulwich dweller said:

All cars? Every single car parked on the road? First i've heard of that. Hardly a vote winner and it would be a huge hit in revenue streams for them.

You are right, the Southwark Labour Party manifesto I think 2 elections ago, but it might have been 3, only declared that it wanted to drive out privately owned cars from Southwark. Private ownership of anything is of course anathema to a certain part of the socialist universe, including those who have only recently withdrawn 'Marxist' from their personal description. 

And, yes, their hatred of privately owned cars and their reliance on revenues derived from the same does show a lack of consistency and common sense. 

Edited August 16, 2024 by Penguin68

[Jenijenjen]

Perhaps some people on this thread would like to see all royal processions along The Mall banned as they close the thoroughfare to normal traffic.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

11 hours ago, first mate said:

I will add to that a possibility that councillors may be seduced by the Lime dollar

Discussion of a street party has moved into full-on conspiracy theory mode.

#southwarkderangementsyndrome

[first mate]

Nope, listen to the latest Southwark Council scrutiny session.

[Cyclemonkey]

Seeing as most roads have existed well before cars,  maybe its car drivers rather than pedestrians should be applying for permission to use the roads. 

More seriously there seems to be a small hardcore of people on here worried that someone,  somewhere might actually be having fun. 

[Penguin68]

1 hour ago, Cyclemonkey said:

Seeing as most roads have existed well before cars,  maybe its car drivers rather than pedestrians should be applying for permission to use the roads. 

Existed as dirt roads maybe in ED, but as paved roads with pavements here not until the advent of motor vehicles, I think you'll find. As far as paved and user friendly roads in the suburbs it was cars wot done it. 

[snowy]

I think the cycling touring club and the Roads Improvement Association in the late 19th century would correct you on that assumption. 

[Jenijenjen]

33 minutes ago, snowy said:

I think the cycling touring club and the Roads Improvement Association in the late 19th century would correct you on that assumption. 

Yep, there are reports in the South London Press and South London Chronicle that Camberwell Vestry (the former body reponsible for local administrative matters) ordered the paving of some streets in East Dulwich in the 1870s which extended the entire width of the road. Advertisements for houses to rent in, for example, Ulverscroft Road in the 1880s boasted the street was paved as a selling point.

Edited August 16, 2024 by Jenijenjen

[first mate]

What is road tax?

Road taxation has existed since the 17th century to pay for building and maintenance of Britain's highways, and in 1909 the Road Fund was established to collect road tax for the financing and administration of road building and maintenance.

A tax specifically for motor vehicles was first introduced in 1920, but after 1937 the Road Fund and any ring-fencing of the vehicle excise duty for the specific financing of roads was ended. 

Since then all UK road tax is paid into the government's Consolidated Fund and road maintenance is financed out of general taxation.

[Cyclemonkey]

Although ED was not in London at the time,  the Pavement Act 1762 very much predates cars.

 

Romans were also well kown for producing a good walkable road surface. 

 

 

[first mate]

I am interested to know how many posters here support Southwark's stated intention to remove all private cars from the streets. For those that need to use a car how do you see this working? 
 

If a major intention of getting rid of cars is to free up streets for children to play, for socialising etc., how does e-bike and scooter use fit into this idea? Given other cities have now banned these because they are so dangerous I am interested to understand the thinking. Southwark is looking at removing car parking spaces on every street and installing e-bikes and e-scooters in the space instead.

[Jules-and-Boo]

you seem personally offended that there may be a suggestion that there are too many cars on the roads and people are aware of that.

Just fancy, the whole entire world having a car free day yet there is an issue in a little burb of london.

 

[Spartacus]

Blimey o'reily 

This really has moved from its intended purpose, promoting street parties as part of World car free day to anti southwarks anti car policy.

Personally, I think we need to separate the two (southwark and world car free day) and concentrate on a simpler view.

1. Which roads are interested in hosting a street party ? 

2. Has enough time been left to organise street parties? 

Let's be frank here, when we used to have "the big lunch" street parties no one really objected to roads being closed so the issue here seems to be that it is associated with a car free day. 

I agree with other posters that Southwark has expressed an opinion about removing all privately owned cars but let's not mistake that as the sole reason for a street party,the two things are separate and its not about kids playing in the streets in general but streets getting together to party. Surely not a bad thing after covid locked us all up for ages and reconnecting with Mrs Miggens down the street who lost her husband is a good thing after all.

I fear if we drive this down the anti car road any further it will get moved to the transport section rather than being a place to discuss the good things that come out of street parties. 

[Jules-and-Boo]

completely agree - let's focus on the fun

[Cyclemonkey]

Street parties are good.  Rebalancing usage of roads and streets a little back towards favouring people is also good.

 

 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

22 minutes ago, first mate said:

I am interested to know how many posters here support Southwark's stated intention to remove all private cars from the streets.

Is that before or after the Bill Gates COVID microchips are implanted in us? 

 

1 hour ago, Cyclemonkey said:

Romans were also well kown for producing a good walkable road surface.

The woke active travel conspiracy goes back further than I thought!

[first mate]

Okay, let's just say we'd like some street parties and to do that we need to close the street- to all traffic. A nice side benefit is kids can play in the space while the adults socialise and have fun. 

I can see that residents think, yes, a party would be nice and they organise it. Supposing there is a good turnout, you just know this will be spun as overwhelming support for Southwark's car/street plans. 

3 minutes ago, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

Is that before or after the Bill Gates COVID microchips are implanted in us? 

 

The woke active travel conspiracy goes back further than I thought!

Are you denying Southwark have said this- about the cars, of course.

[alice]

One thread is just not enough for you lot