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maxxi Wrote:

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> A "come and get me" for January.

>

> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premie

> r-league/jermain-defoe-says-transfer-from-west-ham

> -to-tottenham-was-a-massive-mistake-8922251.html

>

> Vaz Te and Downing out - Defoe and Ba in? Sounds

> like a plan.



Dream on.

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Jeez! Just seen that twat Ashley Young do what he

> is best at. Diving. What an embarrassment he must

> be to Man Utd fans. The fact the referee bought it

> as well. Shocking.


He won't be at Utd for much longer, pity we won't get ?80m for him...

It's time for a complete review of the penalty rules (which of course will never happen as football seems to take pride in retaining original rules fundamental to the game)


Whether its a foul on Ashley Young or not, a penalty normally results in a goal. Most times the person fouled never looked remotely likely to score a goal. Hence the punishment is not appropriate and becasue of this people will always dive to get a goal from nothing.


Its outdated and causes so many problems in the modern game.


The penalty try in rugby is given where a try would almost certainly have been scored but for the foul. Football should adopt something similar. Too many boheheads in charge.

Not so sure Mick. What if Hernandez had been fouled last night before he fluffed it from 1 yard out? Nothing is 100% certain. You'll also get farcical situations where a team is awarded a free kick instead of a penalty a couple of yards from the goal line. The only way to limit diving is to retrospectivly punish players clearly found guilty by TV replays. The FA have just started doing this re. violent play missed by the ref, i.e. Riether's stamp on Januzaj. It won't stop it as these tend to be 'heat of the moment' incidents, but at least something is being done...

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> The penalty try in rugby is given where a try

> would almost certainly have been scored but for

> the foul. Football should adopt something similar.

> Too many boheheads in charge.


Would you have awarded a penalty goal if Hernandez had been tripped just as he was about to take a kick at the ball?

red devil Wrote:



> Would you have awarded a penalty goal if Hernandez

> had been tripped just as he was about to take a

> kick at the ball?


If he has a clear shot on goal when fouled within the box, yes.


At the moment you get a penalty/goal if the player fouled is not even in possession eg Ashley Young. Ridiculous.

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> If he has a clear shot on goal when fouled within

> the box, yes.


He did have a clear shot on goal....and missed. That's the beauty of football.



> At the moment you get a penalty/goal if the player

> fouled is not even in possession eg Ashley Young.

> Ridiculous.


It's simple. Don't commit a foul inside the box. Same for both teams...

If the game is stopped for a penalty maybe the opposing side should have the opportunity to appeal (like cricket and US football - 2 per team per game?) and ask the third official to judge via the slow-mo replay (the game has stopped anyway) with the penalty for diving (if that's the case) being a card.

Otta Wrote:

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> So are penalties won by diving fair game then? If

> the ref didn't see it it's okay to cheat, it's

> only cheating if you get caught.


No, no, and no.


> A ref SHOULD be able to ref a match in the

> knowledge that players will play it fair.


Yes...

maxxi Wrote:

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> If the game is stopped for a penalty maybe the

> opposing side should have the opportunity to

> appeal (like cricket and US football - 2 per team

> per game?) and ask the third official to judge via

> the slow-mo replay (the game has stopped anyway)

> with the penalty for diving (if that's the case)

> being a card.


Maybe, but the problem with that is that Young did have his shirt tugged, so then you are getting into what level of tugging constitutes a foul, as well as other factors such as the speed the player was travelling at, ground conditions, was it slippy. Nothing is failsafe, and ultimately it comes down to one man's interpretation, the ref or a.n.other.


What gets me in all this, is that it's always the attacking player that is branded the cheat, never the defender. Tugging on a shirt is not exactly playing the game in a fair spirit, but it seems to be accepted. Last night Vidic was elbowed off the ball as he went up for a corner, a foul and penalty, but the defender got away with it. Is he not a cheat too in the spirit of the game?...

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