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El Pibe Wrote:

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> Noble is dogged, determined, a good tackler and

> passer, good awareness and positioning, and can

> occasionally boot the ball well.

> He's far from a star player and maybe not a game

> changer, but he's effective and personifies the

> spirit the national team utterly lacks right now.

> Given the dearth of talent and the insipid

> displays so called great players have shown in

> recent years, give me a Noble in the squad any

> day.


Could have used that description for Steve Perryman back in the day. A born leader. One cap for England and that towards the end of his career.

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> El Pibe Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Noble is dogged, determined, a good tackler and

> > passer, good awareness and positioning, and can

> > occasionally boot the ball well.

> > He's far from a star player and maybe not a

> game

> > changer, but he's effective and personifies the

> > spirit the national team utterly lacks right

> now.

> > Given the dearth of talent and the insipid

> > displays so called great players have shown in

> > recent years, give me a Noble in the squad any

> > day.

>

> Could have used that description for Steve

> Perryman back in the day. A born leader. One cap

> for England and that towards the end of his

> career.


Also apply that to the Romford Pele, Ray Parlour, loved his fight and spirit.

Agree that England should take Carroll if he's fit, if not, Lambert instead. I didn't think Rooney and Sturridge clicked at all the other night, and time is short to see if they eventually do, so a plan B is definitely needed.

Don't know what's happened to Cleverley. For a period of about 6 months around the time Utd beat Arsenal 8 2, he was on fire, not sure if he then got injured, but since then he's fallen off a cliff. At the moment he doesn't even merit getting into Utd's squad...

red devil Wrote:

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> Agree that England should take Carroll if he's

> fit, if not, Lambert instead. I didn't think

> Rooney and Sturridge clicked at all the other

> night, and time is short to see if they eventually

> do, so a plan B is definitely needed.

> Don't know what's happened to Cleverley. For a

> period of about 6 months around the time Utd beat

> Arsenal 8 2, he was on fire, not sure if he then

> got injured, but since then he's fallen off a

> cliff. At the moment he doesn't even merit getting

> into Utd's squad...


Blimey, I agree with you RD.

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> Bluerevolution Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > apparently Arsenal fans are trying to lodge a

> > complaint against Agger and Liverpool that

> > Wilshere was "done on purpose, knobbled to stop

> > our chance" Behave !!

> > Oh by the way, my ickle citeh won some shitty

> > shiny trophy on Sunday !!!

> >

> > NO HISTORY !!

>

> Fans have not lodged a complaint, the club want

> compensation for the injury from the FA, which is

> fair enough.


Normally I would agree about the compo, I'm sure there's precedent, but I think this situation is a little complicated because Wilshire clearly played on with the injury (14mins to 58mins). My guess is that the player wanted to play on. By doing so, did this aggravate the injury?...

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Agree that England should take Carroll if he's

> > fit, if not, Lambert instead. I didn't think

> > Rooney and Sturridge clicked at all the other

> > night, and time is short to see if they

> eventually

> > do, so a plan B is definitely needed.

> > Don't know what's happened to Cleverley. For a

> > period of about 6 months around the time Utd

> beat

> > Arsenal 8 2, he was on fire, not sure if he

> then

> > got injured, but since then he's fallen off a

> > cliff. At the moment he doesn't even merit

> getting

> > into Utd's squad...

>

> Blimey, I agree with you RD.



Even the most one eyed Manc couldn't justify Cleverley at the moment...

wot otta said.

It is a different world and following Daley's inspirational example I reckon the wider reaction will be positive.

If his team mates do likewise then they should be fine, though I suspect he'll get a mauling from some opposition players and opposition fans.


Effing gutter press, threatening/blackmailing people for exclusives as if who someone boffs is newsworthy*, cunts!!!


*unless of course it's ryan boffing his sister in law ;)

red devil Wrote:

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> Parkdrive Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Bluerevolution Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > apparently Arsenal fans are trying to lodge a

> > > complaint against Agger and Liverpool that

> > > Wilshere was "done on purpose, knobbled to

> stop

> > > our chance" Behave !!

> > > Oh by the way, my ickle citeh won some shitty

> > > shiny trophy on Sunday !!!

> > >

> > > NO HISTORY !!

> >

> > Fans have not lodged a complaint, the club want

> > compensation for the injury from the FA, which

> is

> > fair enough.

>

> Normally I would agree about the compo, I'm sure

> there's precedent, but I think this situation is a

> little complicated because Wilshire clearly played

> on with the injury (14mins to 58mins). My guess is

> that the player wanted to play on. By doing so,

> did this aggravate the injury?...



Maybe, but where's the FA's duty of care? Surely it's up to the the manager decide and the medical staff to give guidance to him?

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