Will Mandelson be accepted across the pond.

[vladi]

Peter Mandelson has all the skills and abilities to make an exceedingly good diplomat.  But  the incoming Republicans are unforgiving and intolerant of anyone who has been derogatory about Trump.
Considering the deprecatory remarks made previously by both Mandelson and Lammy , one wonders how things might turn out for UK-USA relations going forward.

[Insuflo]

Many people have been dismissive of Trump in the recent past, including his VP.
Besides, Mandelson and Trump have much in common. They are both shallow, vulgar and vain. They both fetishise wealth and power, irrespective of who holds it or how it was accumulated. They were both close friends and associates of the late Jeffrey Epstein and have moved in the same circles, as Ghislaine Maxwell’s address book allegedly confirms.
Recognising another who is utterly transactional and lacking in a moral compass, there’s every chance of “Petie” fitting right in Mar-a-Largo.

[Sephiroth]

Being nice to Trump, constantly and obsequiously, in no way keeps you onside with him

honesty far better

and there isnt going to be any meaningful trade deal with USA anyway because it conflicts with other interests.  
 

bugs the shite out of me listening to people complain about uk being rude about Trump when the things the uk continues to say about Europe and its leaders is unhinged 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Sephiroth

[malumbu]

They are not being rude they are giving a factual account of his character and behaviour.  Unstable is a good example.  Dishonest  criminal.  Mysogenist.  All accurate.

[SpringTime]

Notwelcome in my house   x

[vladi]

5 hours ago, malumbu said:

They are not being rude they are giving a factual account of his character and behaviour.  Unstable is a good example.  Dishonest  criminal.  Mysogenist.  All accurate.

Try "misogynist",  and you would be 100% right

[Insuflo]

On 21/12/2024 at 10:48, vladi said:

Peter Mandelson has all the skills and abilities to make an exceedingly good diplomat.  

[ANDY B]

Hi passing on state secrets regarding the UK economy not good 

[Sue]

On 15/02/2026 at 15:02, ANDY B said:

Hi passing on state secrets regarding the UK economy not good 

Many things not good, it seems like.

[ANDY B]

Hi put him in the Tower until Execution

[Sephiroth]

The fact that some people in England seem to be narrowly focussed on the eejit that is mandelson whilst ignoring the real villains in the whole Epstein thing is… revealing 

and those villains are lauded and unaffected 

[Insuflo]

2 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

The fact that some people in England seem to be narrowly focussed on the eejit that is mandelson whilst ignoring the real villains in the whole Epstein thing is… revealing 

and those villains are lauded and unaffected 

Revealing of what, exactly?
I resurrected this thread, after a year, to highlight the foolishness of the OP’s op. And how posturing would be sagacity is quickly undermined by events, dear boy, events.
The thread is about Mandelson. I knew he was a wrong ‘un all along, we all did; the Epstein shit just proves it.

In reality, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Starmer et all knew as well but accepted it, because they found him useful. As did a large proportion of the 2024 intake of Labour MPs who were personally vetted and approved by Mandelson.

[vladi]

10 hours ago, Insuflo said:

I resurrected this thread, after a year, to highlight the foolishness of the OP’s op. And how posturing would be sagacity is quickly undermined by events, dear boy, events.
 did; the Epstein shit just proves it.

In reality, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Starmer et all knew as well but accepted it, because they found him useful. 

You are most likely correct in thinking that  Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Starmer et all knew it.  But they obviously thought that his skills, abilities and usefulness far outweighed the negatives.
Here is a summary of the positives lifted from elsewhere:-
 

1. Strategic Architect: He was a primary architect of "New Labour," rebranding the party and shifting its core ideology to win the 1997 general election.

2 Master of Communication: Often called the original "spin doctor," he revolutionised how political parties manage the media. He famously created the "grid" system to coordinate government messaging.

3 Networking and Charm: Known as "Silvertongue," he possesses a peerless ability to charm and network with high-level global figures, including business leaders and heads of state.

4. Governance and Trade Expertise: Beyond strategy, he was considered a highly efficient minister, serving as European Commissioner for Trade and Secretary of State across multiple departments, including Business and Northern Ireland. 
5. Reinvention: His capacity to adapt to changing political climates and rebuild relationships reflects personal resilience and strategic flexibility.

With his skill and abilities, he delivered results for all his bosses. In the short time in Washington, he found a way to get on the right side of Trump - despite him  being critical of Trump in previous years.

That said he is complex personality.  He can be simultaneously brilliant and arrogant, thick-skinned yet sensitive, and selfless for his party while appearing narcissistic in his personal dealings. 

My OP asked if he would be accepted over the pond. It turned out he was because he got on famously with trump. He worked out the correct strategy to get on the good side of Trump and secured a better trade deal than the EU and other nations.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by vladi

[Insuflo]

1 hour ago, vladi said:

Here is a summary of the positives lifted from elsewhere:-

Amazing. Now could you cut and paste an AI summary of the defence case for Andrew M-W? 

[Jenijenjen]

Andrew whatshisname's lawyer might find it useful as his client has just been arrested "over the alleged sharing of confidential material". The arrest of Mandelson to follow?

[vladi]

1 hour ago, Insuflo said:

Amazing. Now could you cut and paste an AI summary of the defence case for Andrew M-W? 

It was clearly stated that it was "lifted from elsewhere". Or did you miss that?

[Insuflo]

21 minutes ago, vladi said:

It was clearly stated that it was "lifted from elsewhere". Or did you miss that?

No, I clearly quoted you in my response; did you miss that?

It’s obviously AI generated: any reasonable human being would be too ashamed to spin such arrant twadle.