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malumbu

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2 hours ago, geh said:

heartened to see the administration's had a change of heart and the people have been re-empowered - pure chutzpah comes to mind:

 

 

 

Dear East Dulwich residents, 

 

You are invited to the inaugural East Dulwich Neighbourhood meeting on Wednesday 2nd July at 7pm at Charter School East Dulwich (Sports Hall entrance on East Dulwich Grove) to launch the new Neighbourhoods programme and introduce your Neighbourhood Champion.

 

 

 

 

Why criticise the council for trying to build some bridges?  What on earth do you want,???  And I had to Google chutzpah as never used the word and probably never read it before. I hadn't realised that a Mr Johnson had in deed moved into the area after all. 

Rockets

Rockets

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6 hours ago, DulvilleRes said:

You are presented with evidence that crowded streets could well be in part caused by semi-dumped cars.

What evidence is that because according to the active travel lobbyists on here personal assessments/opinions presented on here cannot be taken as fact...do you have anything beyond your own personal opinion to back that up.

Still looking for a rational explanation as to why people doing a car sale ride hustle would "semi-abandon" cars on Gilkes yet seemingly no other road and what the motivation for that is....cars depreciate over time....

6 hours ago, DulvilleRes said:

If, as happened in Gilkes Crescent, a large number of dumped vehicles disappeared after the introduction of a CPZ, this has clear ramifications for other streets. Instead you ignore the evidence, as I suspect it is inconvenient to your unrelenting and dubious anti-council agenda across a range of issues. 

Look, we get it. Your street is now much less crowded than it used to be - you are clearly very happy with that but if what you say is true then have you given even a moments thought to what this has meant for other streets nearby or does that not come into your consideration?

Do you also realise there is a perfectly good mechanism for reporting abandoned cars? We had one near us, that had been involved in an accident. Someone reported it to the council a notice was stuck to it and then it was removed after a set period of time.

No-one thought a CPZ was the best way to deal with it.

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geh

geh

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On 15/06/2025 at 16:35, malumbu said:

Why criticise the council for trying to build some bridges?  What on earth do you want,???  And I had to Google chutzpah as never used the word and probably never read it before. I hadn't realised that a Mr Johnson had in deed moved into the area after all. 

assuming 'what on earth do you want?' is rhetorical, and Mr Johnson refers to Samuel?

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21 hours ago, Rockets said:
  On 15/06/2025 at 15:18, DulvilleRes said:

You are presented with evidence that crowded streets could well be in part caused by semi-dumped cars.

Anyone that knew for a fact that a load of dumped cars were the primary reason for loss of parking on their street, would not express this as "could well in part". Weasel words!

On 15/06/2025 at 16:35, malumbu said:

Dear East Dulwich residents, 

 

You are invited to the inaugural East Dulwich Neighbourhood meeting on Wednesday 2nd July at 7pm at Charter School East Dulwich (Sports Hall entrance on East Dulwich Grove) to launch the new Neighbourhoods programme and introduce your Neighbourhood Champion.

Is the proposed ED CPZ up for discussion, I wonder. 

DulvilleRes

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22 hours ago, Rockets said:

What evidence is that because according to the active travel lobbyists on here personal assessments/opinions presented on here cannot be taken as fact...do you have anything beyond your own personal opinion to back that up.

Still looking for a rational explanation as to why people doing a car sale ride hustle would "semi-abandon" cars on Gilkes yet seemingly no other road and what the motivation for that is....cars depreciate over time....

Look, we get it. Your street is now much less crowded than it used to be - you are clearly very happy with that but if what you say is true then have you given even a moments thought to what this has meant for other streets nearby or does that not come into your consideration?

Do you also realise there is a perfectly good mechanism for reporting abandoned cars? We had one near us, that had been involved in an accident. Someone reported it to the council a notice was stuck to it and then it was removed after a set period of time.

No-one thought a CPZ was the best way to deal with it.

As pointed out, the Gilkes Residents Association did a survey of vehicles that didn't move, which then evaporated after the introduction of the CPZ, so it isn't an opinion. You can of course keep ignoring this inconvenient fact to your narrative.

If a vehicle is taxed, it can stay on an open parking street as long as it likes, so it isn't abandoned. As I suggested, take a walk down the Crescent, and see what a road looks like without being clogged by cars - I think a lot of people in whatever road they are in would settle for that. Also it isn't my road. 

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22 minutes ago, DulvilleRes said:

As pointed out, the Gilkes Residents Association did a survey of vehicles that didn't move, which then evaporated after the introduction of the CPZ, so it isn't an opinion. You can of course keep ignoring this inconvenient fact to your narrative.

If a vehicle is taxed, it can stay on an open parking street as long as it likes, so it isn't abandoned. As I suggested, take a walk down the Crescent, and see what a road looks like without being clogged by cars - I think a lot of people in whatever road they are in would settle for that. Also it isn't my road. 

Bully for Gilkes!  They probably just "evaporated" on another local road instead.

Rockets

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36 minutes ago, DulvilleRes said:

As pointed out, the Gilkes Residents Association did a survey of vehicles that didn't move, which then evaporated after the introduction of the CPZ, so it isn't an opinion. You can of course keep ignoring this inconvenient fact to your narrative.

No, you hadn't bothered sharing that information. Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the report as I do not live on Gilkes so am not privy to it? Also I am not familiar with Gilkes - was there a big parking problem there - I know there have been concerns about school drop off and pick-ups but CPZs do nothing to alleviate that?

Also, not sure how long it  has been since you went to school but nothing just evaporates....it evaporates, condensates and then falls as precipitation elsewhere...but it seems that as you are so happy about how clear Gilkes is (and the council no doubt over the moon they can chalk another street as being an additional revenue source) that what happens elsewhere probably isn't much of a concern.

29 minutes ago, Kathleen Olander said:

If a vehicle is taxed, it can stay on an open parking street as long as it likes, so it isn't abandoned.

Not necessarily - Southwark have a number of criteria about what qualifies as an abandoned vehicle. If you report it they will visit the car to see if it qualifies - yes they will check if it is taxed or has been registered as SORN but they will also look to see if there are signs it has been left for a long time - disrepair of car, grass or weeds growing around/beneath it, flat tyres, damage to car, missing number plates etc. If so, they will put a sign on it alerting the owner that they have 7 days to contact the council or it will be removed.

Did the Gilkes RA advise people to follow that process to have semi-abandoned cars removed before lobbying for a CPZ? Still struggling to understand why anyone would semi-abandon a car, especially on Gilkes Crescent.

 

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LordshipPain

LordshipPain

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On 18/06/2025 at 20:44, CPR Dave said:

DulvilleRes, are you a Southwark councillor by any chance?

There are several astro-turfers on this forum - some are quite prolific in their dedication to their work.

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