Crossroads roadworks - EDG/Dulwich V/RP Hill etc

[march46]

No, I’m challenging your claim that new advanced cycle boxes are the reason the islands are being removed. I have never seen anything that suggests that, and it doesn’t make sense given the advanced boxes are set back behind the pedestrian crossings.

Advanced cycle boxes on all 4 arms instead of just 2 is a good thing. The new wider pavements are looking great too, 3 of the 4 corners are finished now. So much better for the heavy footfall. Pedestrian countdown timers have been needed for a long time, it’s positive that they’ll be added also.

Edited March 21 by march46

[first mate]

March, if you have access to the original consultation document - and it sounds as though you do- can you share it, please?

[Rockets]

4 hours ago, march46 said:

No, I’m challenging your claim that new advanced cycle boxes are the reason the islands are being removed.

Thanks for clarifying as it very much looked like you were saying there were no plans for any additional cycle infrastructure and then when I presented my evidence that there is you had a sudden change of position and pivoted to a - well it's not because of that! 😉

The original consultation document definitely said that the pedestrian refuge needed to be removed to make way for the new advanced cycle boxes - it's was the reason why I started the thread back in January 24.

It is good to see that the council are rectifying the right turn issue and returning the Dulwich Village junction to two lanes - the congestion and subsequent pollution has been awful for years because of the installation of the cycle wands. The council does seem to take multiple, expensive, attempts to get traffic infrastructure right.

[ed_pete]

These works are on-going and causing delays and tailbacks as one might expect.  

Anyone know what Conways working hours are ? I've been past close to 3pm on several occasions over past few weeks and they've packed up and gone.  Similar situation with the resurfacing on Greendale.  Whatever happened to a full days work ?

[malumbu]

I expect that they work similar hours to most on this forum.  Ask Conway, they were very good in getting back when I reported one of their vehicles parked, with the engine on.

[Rockets]

I do hope the pedestrian green light phasing of the temporary lights at the DV/Red Post Hill junction is not indicative of the phasing to be used when the new lights are added. It takes an age for the pedestrian green light to go on and I have already seen people rushing across the junction but now have no refuge halfway across due to the resdesign to accommodate the advanced cycle box.

[ArchieCarlos]

I expect it will be faster once the works are done.

Right now the lights cycle between each of the 4 directions before opening out to pedestrians. Once done, it should be a 2 way light, so the waiting time for pedestrians (and cars!) should hopefully be halved

[georgeofdulwich]

On 21/03/2025 at 07:30, first mate said:

March, if you have access to the original consultation document - and it sounds as though you do- can you share it, please?

I searched high and low and managed to find the original consultation doc which I hope puts this topic to bed.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Here is the traffic order: https://services.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/306037/Red-Post-Hill-Junction-notice-dated-10-Oct-2024-.pdf

Edited Friday at 09:57 by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

Still not the original consultation document - which is what referred to having to remove the pedestrian refuges to accommodate the advanced cycle stops.

 

Interesting though that in the document you shared it did call out this (and we all know which council intervention was the cause for that don't we):

 

Studies of the area and the current layout of the junction, show that there is insufficient space
and time for northbound vehicles turning right at this junction, from Dulwich Village. This
causes a ‘bottleneck’ effect and major traffic queues have been experienced, which is a cause
of delays to bus journeys throughout the Dulwich Village area.

[Earl Aelfheah]

No idea why you want the original consultation document, but if you email the council they will provide it.

All the info on the work, and the reasons for it, are contained in the traffic management order (which was easy to find with a simple google search).

I believe you should make an small effort to check easily accessible information before confidently asserting things that are untrue.

Pedestrian refuges have not been removed to accommodate a bike lane, or any other 'cycle infrastructure'.

[Rockets]

But that's what the original consultation document said....but, funnily enough, no-one can find the original consultation document now.

You know what caused the insufficient space at the DV junction don't you that the council refers to? And you know the council have been wrestling with the problem they caused for the last 4 or 5 years.

Studies of the area and the current layout of the junction, show that there is insufficient space
and time for northbound vehicles turning right at this junction, from Dulwich Village. This
causes a ‘bottleneck’ effect and major traffic queues have been experienced, which is a cause
of delays to bus journeys throughout the Dulwich Village area.

You know what caused all of this -  those four or five cycle wands they put in to protect the cycle lane at the DV junction. All of this investment, and the money they spent on the right lane filter, could all have been resolved with a far-more pragmatic solution that didn't need to cost the earth but the council chose to keep spending tax payers money doubling down on a problem they caused....

[Earl Aelfheah]

14 minutes ago, Rockets said:

but, funnily enough, no-one can find the original consultation document

I imagine you have emailed the council and asked for it. What reason have they given for not supplying it?

[Rockets]

 

No, plenty on here (some of whom seem to have a Bat phone to council HQ on many items) claimed to have seen or know where the original consultation document is yet no-one has yet shared it......

BTW you seem to be ignoring the council caused congestion issue with the right-hand turn.

Do you think a more pragmatic approach than stoically sticking to the need to have wands to protect the bike lane might have created less pollution and cost a lot less tax-payers money than the huge expense they have now gone to to "fix" the problem they caused? Those wands went in after covid and since then that junction has been a nightmare with huge congestion and pollution in front of the Hamlets school - surely even the most ardent council fan can see that the council created this problem.