Council "weed" removal

[LordshipPain]

2 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

The Veolia teams that have serviced Underhill for the last few years (certainly before lockdown) have generally been very tidy. A few spillages but not noticeably many, and often from very overfilled bins. I have seen them take brooms to sweep up real accidental spillages. There are problems with fox or cat scattered rubbish from accessible bins, and from food wrappers discarded by passers bye, but that is neither Veolia's nor the council's fault. 

Is that your comment; people shouldn't overfill their bins? Nobody does. All those bins had lids closed. The problem is when they open them and the bin tips into the lorry and half a dozen pieces of litter fall to the floor. Are you actually denying photographic evidence?

Edited June 28 by LordshipPain
More detail added.

[Penguin68]

26 minutes ago, LordshipPain said:

Are you actually denying photographic evidence?

I had not realised your photographs were of the road I live in - which I must admit I do not recognize. I had though they were not Underhill Road  but elsewhere. Apologies. I had thought I was writing of my own experiences in Underhill Road but obviously I don't know my own streets. When the men I watch tip rubbish into their lorries they do not seem to spill out into the road, but obviously my eyes aren't good enough to see this.

[LordshipPain]

1 hour ago, Penguin68 said:

I had not realised your photographs were of the road I live in - which I must admit I do not recognize. I had though they were not Underhill Road  but elsewhere. Apologies. I had thought I was writing of my own experiences in Underhill Road but obviously I don't know my own streets. When the men I watch tip rubbish into their lorries they do not seem to spill out into the road, but obviously my eyes aren't good enough to see this.

Thank you for your reply.

Edited June 28 by LordshipPain
I was rude and apologise.

[intexasatthe moment]

Penguin ,Underhill is a very long road (as I'm sure you know ) so I understand why you would not recognise sections of it .

[LordshipPain]

20 minutes ago, intexasatthe moment said:

Penguin ,Underhill is a very long road (as I'm sure you know ) so I understand why you would not recognise sections of it .

Very decent of you. I accept and apologise to Penguin so as to keep "community relations" friendly.

[Penguin68]

The shots are mainly of Melford Road and the rubric suggests that the street cleaner bags on 'Thursdays'. The general rubbish collection is on Tuesdays. If the bags haven't been collected on Friday, but have been left for general disruption over the weekend then the bin men will see simply a rubbish strewn road with this rubbish not in any bin. They don't have time to street clean themselves so will not collect it. I reiterate that the crews I see for general rubbish collection, the 'bin men' are careful and considerate in their collections from bins, some of which are indeed very full, to overflowing. They don't collect bagged rubbish left on the street away from bins, nor have they the time or are tasked to clean the streets of scattered rubbish. 

[LordshipPain]

25 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

The shots are mainly of Melford Road and the rubric suggests that the street cleaner bags on 'Thursdays'. The general rubbish collection is on Tuesdays. If the bags haven't been collected on Friday, but have been left for general disruption over the weekend then the bin men will see simply a rubbish strewn road with this rubbish not in any bin. They don't have time to street clean themselves so will not collect it. I reiterate that the crews I see for general rubbish collection, the 'bin men' are careful and considerate in their collections from bins, some of which are indeed very full, to overflowing. They don't collect bagged rubbish left on the street away from bins, nor have they the time or are tasked to clean the streets of scattered rubbish. 

You are trying to cast doubt on what I have provided evidence for and I have to ask why? The rubbish wouldn't be scattered if the blue bags were collected on schedule. They are very frequently left in various places around East Dulwich.

[Sue]

18 hours ago, LordshipPain said:

No need to provoke you since you respond constantly to everything. It is not a gross exaggeration - I took photos. Do you not like people answering back? A bit head girl aren't you?

It's a forum. For discussion and differing opinions. 

I do not "respond constantly to everything" - another exaggeration.

I post  on forum threads where I have an opinion or information to contribute, as do many others.

The forum name you have chosen is interesting. I use my own name.

"Head girl" ??? !!! My school would have laughed at that description 🤣

[Penguin68]

13 minutes ago, LordshipPain said:

The rubbish wouldn't be scattered if the blue bags were collected on schedule. They are very frequently left in various places around East Dulwich.

But this collection is not a function of the bin men who work demanding hours, they start very early, in an unpleasant job. You have attacked them when you should be attacking, if anyone, their managers in either Veolia or the council who are failing to schedule timely pick up of street collected rubbish. Or perhaps paying for it. You have moved from saying the rubbish is poorly collected household rubbish to saying they are street swept rubbish,not collected quickly. Very different things. 

[LordshipPain]

1 hour ago, Penguin68 said:

But this collection is not a function of the bin men who work demanding hours, they start very early, in an unpleasant job. You have attacked them when you should be attacking, if anyone, their managers in either Veolia or the council who are failing to schedule timely pick up of street collected rubbish. Or perhaps paying for it. You have moved from saying the rubbish is poorly collected household rubbish to saying they are street swept rubbish,not collected quickly. Very different things. 

I have not. Both things are true.

[Mabaker]

I think it has to be acknowledged that in some streets, rubbish is inadvertently tipped into the street after bin collection. That's what happens where I live. I can't blame the foxes unless they only visit on a Tuesday. No-one sweeps any of the fallen litter up. Neither do we get anyone sweeping the streets. I never like to blame front line workers as ususlly the problem lies furthet up the food chain. Trouble is this uncollected rubbish is a magnet for passers by to add to the mess by littering. Never mind potholes. My next vote goes to the Councillor who campaigns on a keep Southwark tidy ticket.

[Nigello]

Council street cleaners sometimes bag up and leave them on top of the bins they empty. Some don’t. Best you can do is send images with date/time/location to your MP and councillor (via WriteToThem, with full address and phone number). Or, pick up the odd can or bottle or tied-up poo bag every now and then. 

How do we know for certain that binmen, street cleaners or bag collectors do or don’t have the time? 

[Penguin68]

I do know that the bin men are tasked to empty the relevant bin to their round and to move on, so street collection bags won't be covered by them. They are given quite demanding routes daily which they have to cover. Street sweeper bag collections I think are done by those lorries with cages. 

[Mabaker]

I bought myself a litter picker from Amazon and do go round and pick up . No one else does. I guess they just don't have the time what with job obligations and kids etc. Question. ...should we pay more council tax in return for a better service? This debate could go on forever.