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Shoplifting is such epidemic now that it justifies the introduction of facial recognition facilities at the entrance to retail premises. With immediate access to  a database of all known shoplifters, such a facility could sound an immediate alert to management - provided of course that removal of face masks was a condition of entry. 

3 hours ago, HeadNun said:

Would you have jumped down the OP's throat if they'd described the perp as white, 50s, male? 

How we morphed from a hurried post about a shop-lifter, to rampant racism, migrants and single mothers, I do not know. 

And I thought the thread about hot dogs was hysterical....

A  description limited to just " white, 50s, male" would be equally useless in identifying anybody, because it could apply to so many people. What point are you trying to make?

And I didn't "jump down the OP's throat."

The way the thread has developed is how threads work. Different people have different views on things.

And the point about media references to migrants and single mothers was relevant to the discussion.

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11 hours ago, vladi said:

the offender can carry on regardless until trespassed. Trespassing the perp is the only meaningful method the control the crime and it is incumbent on us all the assist the shop owner and the police to identify the person.

Too many American YouTube videos. The problem isn't the lack of an offence, it's the lack of police resources to respond to it.

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