Goose Green Roundabout Traffic Chaos

[Zak]

Were these road works planned? There seems to have been no warning and yesterday’s traffic up and down Lordship Lane was chaotic.
Anyone know how long they will take? 

[Alan Medic]

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According to one site I looked at, until August 17th.

Don't know how that 'quote' got included twice as I didn't mean to quote anything.

[Sue]

What are the roadworks for this time? 

[exdulwicher]

1 hour ago, Sue said:

What are the roadworks for this time? 

Gas works

[ed_pete]

 

[Spartacus]

If only "back to the future" was accurate as in 2015 cars could fly... no more gas works chaos but sadly they can't and we have to put up with it for a few more months. 

I wonder when using fossil fuels to warm our houses will be a thing of the past and all these lovely new pipes will be dug up as they will be obsolete? 

[jazzer]

Got caught up in the roadwork delays earlier this afternoon. They are digging up one half of the road around the roundabout if that makes sense and all traffic has to use the other half with traffic lights controlling the flow. Avoid if yo can, probably added 20 mins to the journey time. 

[CPR Dave]

I had to get Stratford yesterday and my sat nav took me south first then up Underhill Rd and across Newlands Brockley and through New Cross rather than the usual route up East Dulwich Rd and Nunhead etc.

[Angelina]

Best avoided unless journey is essential to that area. Lots of alternative roads

Three people standing around, no work going on. 

Edited July 23 by Angelina

[kiera]

The timetable was posted on here in May by Iainj as "gas works gridlock this summer" 

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/361036-gas-works-gridlock-this-summer/#elControls_1705588_menu

Extract:-

 Phase two

Our engineers will start work on 16 June for approximately ten weeks in East Dulwich Road between the junctions of Worlingham Road and Peckham Rye. We will need to install temporary multi-way lights for the duration of the work.

 Phase three

From 28 July for approximately four weeks, we will be working in Lordship Lane, Spurling Road and Worlingham Road at their junctions with East Dulwich Road.

Our work in Lordship Lane will take place from the junction with East Dulwich Road to the junction with Zenoria Street. Temporary multi-way lights will be installed for the duration of the work. 

The junction of Spurling Road and East Dulwich Road will be closed with a signed diversion in place.

The junction of Worlingham Road and East Dulwich Road will also be closed with a signed diversion in place.

[Spartacus]

If only Southwark hadn't just sealed off the ends of the roads leading into Grove Vale as thats stopped traffic bring diverted away from the roundabout.....

[Dulwitch]

I don't imagine anyone considered the potential need for such diversions when they closed off every available route to which might have been used to alleviate the mayhem. I'm afraid they are too focussed on their agenda to ever think that far ahead. Nice, massive build up of emissions for anyone unlucky enough to be in the area 

 

 

 

 

[malumbu]

You could say that about every road they've closed to traffic, made one way, dead end etc over the last 50 years.  They were doing this long before LTNs were introduced.  If you are concerned about pollution then simply reduce your driving and other ways you contribute to emissions.  Get a seat by the road and see how many vehicles have one person in them.  Something going wrong somewhere.

[first mate]

The unintended consequences of Southwark's multiple, simultaneous roadworks seems now to have affected bin collection in some areas. 

[Sue]

I felt very sorry for a guy in a car trying to turn right into Ondine Road. 

Their  way into the road  was blocked by vehicles at a standstill which could not move backwards or forwards, including a  bus, and nobody had apparently thought to keep the road entrance clear.

They  were  being hooted at by all those rude drivers behind them  who were being held up, the kind who seem to think that the more they hoot the more likely it is that the situation (which they couldn't see what it was, grammar) will somehow miraculously resolve itself.

As soon as the line of traffic travelling towards Goose Green from the Denmark Hill direction was able to move, the car was able to turn right when another vehicle let it through,  but honestly, have people no common sense?

[malumbu]

Some drivers who are normally polite go through a metamorphosis when there is congestion.  A classic you see commonly is driving nose to tail over pedestrian crossings, the on Rye Lane being a good example.  Even the police will do this at times, although I don't see them issuing points and a fixed penalty when they are blocking pedestrians crossing on green.  

[Sue]

1 hour ago, malumbu said:

Some drivers who are normally polite go through a metamorphosis when there is congestion.  A classic you see commonly is driving nose to tail over pedestrian crossings, the on Rye Lane being a good example.  Even the police will do this at times, although I don't see them issuing points and a fixed penalty when they are blocking pedestrians crossing on green.  

At least in that case pedestrians could (probably, mostly) still get safely across the road.

Whereas in the case above, the driver had no way at all to turn right.

Their only option other than waiting for the traffic to move would have been to drive on and hope to turn right at some point further on and then get back to Ondine Road that way.

But they might not have been able to do that either.

[malumbu]

in this case they block the road meaning pedestrians who have the right of way have to squeeze through gaps.  It's a bike crossing too.

We shouldn't be saying it's ok to block pedestrians but not ok to block cars. 

Either way it's poor/inconsiderate driving and you'd fail a driving test if you did this under these circumstances.  

[Spartacus]

20 hours ago, malumbu said:

You could say that about every road they've closed to traffic, made one way, dead end etc over the last 50 years.  They were doing this long before LTNs were introduced.  If you are concerned about pollution then simply reduce your driving and other ways you contribute to emissions.  Get a seat by the road and see how many vehicles have one person in them.  Something going wrong somewhere.

I think the fact that these gas works were known about months ago make it different, Southwark could have temporarily delayed the work on Melbourne Grove and reopened it for 4 weeks as a diversion route freeing up strain on the roundabout, but that takes forward planning and intelligence I guess 

[ianr]

3 hours ago, Spartacus said:

I think the fact that these gas works were known about months ago make it different, Southwark could have temporarily delayed the work on Melbourne Grove and reopened it for 4 weeks as a diversion route freeing up strain on the roundabout, but that takes forward planning and intelligence I guess 

It's an interesting question.  Might it be the sort of thing you could raise with a councillor -- by way of investigation rather than complaint - - to see whether there might be scope for improvement?  One possible obstacle that comes to my mind is the possible inflexibility of existing traffic orders:  whether or not they can be fairly summarily temporarily overidden.

[Cancerian]

You’re absolutely right Spartacus. Southwark council could have forward planned this a bit more but maybe it’s another plan for more stupid road plans for them to put in place. The new road/pavement design along the M&S and train station is terrible with pavements suddenly jutting out for no reason causing unnecessary stress for cars and bikes and pedestrians.
I had the misfortune to be caught in traffic on Wednesday when the roadworks suddenly came into place. It took me 25 minutes to drive from Sainsbury’s dog kennel hill to the goose green roundabout! Cars stuck in lane for ages but then buses appearing on the left bus lane expecting to be let in. Of course this causes mayhem especially  if some car drivers just let the buses in as the bus lane has been closed off. 

Since all the road closures in the area there are no detours in place like there used to be.

Hopefully after this disastrous Labour government and local Labour policies we can reverse road closures and restore access for all.