Old bottle shop on Whateley Road?

[tds_]

Callout for help from any local experts here. Looking to find out more about the history of the property on the corner of Whateley Road and Ulverscroft road (with the green glazed bricks). Now a residential property, i'm told it was a bottle shop in days gone (the house was built around 1900) by and i'd like to learn more about the history of the business that was once here - name, photos, anything at all really! Seems to be very little from open source research so i'm hoping anyone with history in the area can provide any insight! 

Starting here before i contact Southwark Archives or similar orgs to get any information and pictures (any advice here also would be welcome). Thank you

Edited July 28 by tds_

[alice]

I’m pretty sure it was Brian of Advanced painting who renovated the outside perhaps he will know more he’s a long time resident

[Earl Aelfheah]

You may want to see if anyone on this site can help: http://www.camberwellboroughcouncil.co.uk/folletts-music-shop/

[jazzer]

Thought it had been a fish and chip shop at one time?

[Jenijenjen]

You've sent me down a rabbit hole here!

According to the 1909/10 street directory, 10 Whateley Road was the address for John Gibson, beer retailer.

 

He was born about 1860 in Walworth and his father, also called John, was a beer retailer as well.

By the time of the 1891 census, John Gibson Junior had moved to 10 Whateley Road and described himself as a beer house manager. He was married to Margaret and had a son and a daughter. John and Margaret were still living at the address 30 years later when he described himself as a beer retailer.

His mother's name was Charlotte Sarah and there is an entry from the same street directory as above for someone by that name described as a beer and wine retailer at 42 North Cross Road. This was most likely his mother, now described as a widow.  

Hoping this is of interest.

[ianr]

If the local archive doesn't suffice there's also the London Archives. I remember using what was then called the London Metropolian archive some years ago, and viewing Street Directories among other things  there. https://www.thelondonarchives.org/your-research/research-guides

[tds_]

thank you everyone for your help here!

@Jenijenjen that is some seriously fantastic detective work!

[Boscombe]

6 hours ago, jazzer said:

Thought it had been a fish and chip shop at one time?

That was on the corner of Whateley and Landcroft - opposite what is now Harris primary school/the police station as was.

 

[Azalea]

7 hours ago, Jenijenjen said:

You've sent me down a rabbit hole here!

According to the 1909/10 street directory, 10 Whateley Road was the address for John Gibson, beer retailer.

 

He was born about 1860 in Walworth and his father, also called John, was a beer retailer as well.

By the time of the 1891 census, John Gibson Junior had moved to 10 Whateley Road and described himself as a beer house manager. He was married to Margaret and had a son and a daughter. John and Margaret were still living at the address 30 years later when he described himself as a beer retailer.

His mother's name was Charlotte Sarah and there is an entry from the same street directory as above for someone by that name described as a beer and wine retailer at 42 North Cross Road. This was most likely his mother, now described as a widow.  

Hoping this is of interest.

Can you please post a link to the street directory? Is it difficult to navigate?  I’ve got a few different streets to look up. 

[Jenijenjen]

6 hours ago, Azalea said:

Can you please post a link to the street directory? Is it difficult to navigate?  I’ve got a few different streets to look up. 

The street directory is on Ancestry and you'll need a subscription to access.  It's reasonably easy to navigate though you have to find the page you're looking for by a combination of trial and error/guesswork.

 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61265/images/47056_263021009499_1592-00159?usePUB=true&_phsrc=Soz1793

There is though also a general search page for London directories where the street name can be entered in the keyword field and results will take you to the specific pages.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61265/

 

 

 

[Azalea]

15 hours ago, Jenijenjen said:

The street directory is on Ancestry and you'll need a subscription to access.  It's reasonably easy to navigate though you have to find the page you're looking for by a combination of trial and error/guesswork.

 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61265/images/47056_263021009499_1592-00159?usePUB=true&_phsrc=Soz1793

Thereption.  is though also a general search page for London directories where the street name can be entered in the keyword field and results will take you to the specific pages.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61265/

 

 

 

Thanks for your reply. I’ve subscribed to Ancestry a few times in the past but felt I wasn’t using it enough to warrant keeping up the subscription.  

 

[OutOfFocus]

I understand you access ancestry from any Southwark library computer. Or see the real post office directories in archive. 

[BrandNewGuy]

This thread brings back hazy memories from the early to mid-90s of a wine shop / off licence off Lordship Lane run by a bibulous chap who specialised in East European wines. It wasn't on a parade of shops but was on maybe Whateley Rd – or possibly Goodrich?? I used to walk past it when heading home from work and would drop in for a cheap bottle of Hungarian plonk. Someone tell me I'm not dreaming this... 🙂

[ed_pete]

17 hours ago, Azalea said:

Thanks for your reply. I’ve subscribed to Ancestry a few times in the past but felt I wasn’t using it enough to warrant keeping up the subscription.  

 

The Kellys Street Directories are available for free via the Leicester University website:

Searching is tricky and it does take quite a bit of fishing around

Search Results - Special Collections

[Azalea]

22 hours ago, ed_pete said:

The Kellys Street Directories are available for free via the Leicester University website:

Searching is tricky and it does take quite a bit of fishing around

Search Results - Special Collections

Thank you.