Cleaning up old Harvester

[Angell34]

So over the last few days the old Harvester at the top of the lane has been cleaned up. 

They’ve cut down all the trees and cleared the front then this morning there is a cherry picked painting all the hoardings. 
 

Do we think the council has finally told Dulwich Estate to clean it up and stop it from being an eye sore or do we think it’s been cleaned because it’s been sold or it’s on the market?

[Penguin68]

I suspect it may have been an end of lease requirement on the lessee. Probably negotiated with the ground landlord (Dulwich Estate) as to what should be done. Considering that they are not handing back a viable building for immediate re-leasing. 

[Jenijenjen]

It's been suggested on the other thread

that Stonegate are due to hand back to DE in September and there may be clauses in the contract about the condition it has to be handed back in

 

 

[jazzer]

Doing the outside - pointless

Internally - dread to think what the condition is.

And as they say, you can't polish a turd.

 

[alice]

It’s going to be pulled down 100%. 

[beansprout]

Seriously? Pulled down…

[Jenijenjen]

There's no record on Southwark's website of planning permission for demolition which according to this website is needed to demolish a pub.  Also for demolishing a building in an unsafe condition which could well be the case.

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/demolition/planning-permission

 

 

[alice]

There’s no record on southwark for planning permission for anything for that building.  But something will happen and that’s my prediction. It’s a waste of space at the moment big old pubs like that aren’t working anymore. They’re closing down all over the place.
A shop on the ground floor, a mini Lidl perhaps and then flats above built in the style of the adjoining flats. Social housing would be the preference but DE will go for the money. 

[Cyclemonkey]

Ooh I'd LOVE a mini Lidl there.  So much more convienent for me than Camberwell or Sydenham.

[Jenijenjen]

38 minutes ago, alice said:

But something will happen and that’s my prediction

Of course something will happen! The unknowns are what and when.

[beansprout]

Is the skate park going to remain? Would love to think yes, but prob not.

[jazzer]

Does anyone know what the plans are for the old Harvester? 

What are Dulwich Estate going to do with the plot/building?

[Sydney Carton]

I read somewhere that it was to be an Orleans Smokehouse, opening in December, which seems unlikely

[teetomthomas]

I wonder if DE lobbied for the pedestrian crossings at the junction if they have plans to develop the site for housing. 

[Penguin68]

41 minutes ago, teetomthomas said:

I wonder if DE lobbied for the pedestrian crossings at the junction if they have plans to develop the site for housing. 

This has been on the local agenda for years, and always ignored until now as TFL objected, as I recall. The existing housing estate just up from the site would have been sufficient to trigger engagement, had that been then possible. 

[jazzer]

Be nice if it became something, anything useful for the community. Shop, pub, supermarket, rather than rotting away sadly as it is.  

[MrsR]

6 hours ago, Sydney Carton said:

I read somewhere that it was to be an Orleans Smokehouse, opening in December, which seems unlikely

The Harvester at Beulah Hill has closed and will be an Orleans Smokehouse

[beansprout]

Oh that is sad - always great value and fab salad bar…might google Orleans Smokehouse - rings very slight bells.

[vladi]

Would it make a good site for a petrol station - given it's location on the South Circular?

[beansprout]

Would have hoped for social housing….

[march46]

Here’s an update from the Dulwich Estate

https://www.thedulwichestate.org.uk/whats-happening/the-grove-returns-to-the-dulwich-estate

[teetomthomas]

9 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

This has been on the local agenda for years, and always ignored until now as TFL objected, as I recall. The existing housing estate just up from the site would have been sufficient to trigger engagement, had that been then possible. 

Thanks Penguin.

It could be a coincidence. But after years of road safety being on the local agenda they finally put the crossings in months before Dulwich Estates regain the lease on The Grove.

 

The Estate understands there is strong local interest in improving this area and we hope to be in a position to share some exciting updates in the near future. The temporary skatepark will remain unaffected.

“Temporary skatepark” is telling.

 

 

[beansprout]

Well if not housing with a bit of social attached, perhaps a local supermarket or a restaurant/ chain food place. Can’t think of anything else  that would for the bill unless a private dentist or even something like Tessa Jewel to serve that section. Pity that skate park might go - guys and gals put so  much work into it but have to  move with times. Community centre? 

Anyone have any other ideas? Nice to explore…..

Meant Jowel - not Jewel… 

[jazzer]

13 hours ago, march46 said:

Here’s an update from the Dulwich Estate

https://www.thedulwichestate.org.uk/whats-happening/the-grove-returns-to-the-dulwich-estate

an update that successfully says nothing of any use. 

[ianr]

I found it useful.