Upturned Car on Adys Road

[malumbu]

1 hour ago, Penguin68 said:

They are not defending driving across the pavement, they are noting that certain types of pavement obstruction are positioned to disallow any overhang across pavement areas for certain types of vehicle when their wheels are only on the road. Which is a function of narrow roads and modern vehicles. Which can be exacerbated by the imposition of build outs and central bollard islands as additions to existing narrow roads. 

Savings lives, see alex_b's informed and personal post above trump's a little bit of inconvenience.  

[first mate]

Penguin, do be reasonable, anything that makes driving a car really difficult - or even hazardous, has the thumbs up, from some. After all, people need to make 'smarter' choices. 

[alex_b]

7 minutes ago, first mate said:

Penguin, do be reasonable, anything that makes driving a car really difficult - or even hazardous, has the thumbs up, from some. After all, people need to make 'smarter' choices. 

It’s only “hazardous” if you chose to drive in such a way that your vehicle crosses the pavement and risks hitting a pedestrian. If the junction is too tight for a vehicle to be able to safely do so the driver should take an alternative route - no different to avoiding a low or narrow bridge.

Also the council had already removed parking opposite the junction to give vehicles more space to manoeuvre, it used to be much worse with coaches regularly getting stuck. . 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

20 hours ago, alex_b said:

It’s only “hazardous” if you chose to drive in such a way that your vehicle crosses the pavement and risks hitting a pedestrian

Yeah but what happens if I need to drive across a pavement because I'm in a rush or just a bit too busy texting? Why should I be punished by a static object like a bollard?

I think the bollards should be removed. Also, people should stop moaning if I occasionally brush up against their cars when I'm driving. So what if you lost a wing mirror or a bumper? People keep jumping to the conclusion that I'm a shitty inattentive driver, but it's not my fault, it's all the bloody EU safety features these days.

[first mate]

Seriously OTT, venting response, that adds nothing.

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's ridiculous to suggest that if you drive a car into an object on the pavement, that is the fault of the object. If that's what you think, then you should hang up your keys.

[first mate]

Driving or heck, even cycling into something may be driver/cyclist error; it may not. I think you know that. Advising me and others to hang up our keys if we don't agree with you ( a now familiar tack) may help you vent but does not achieve much else. 

[spider69]

I m 79 years of age when growing up it was very common to have bollards suddenly jump up in front of you. Perhaps they are making a comeback.

[malumbu]

10 hours ago, first mate said:

Driving or heck, even cycling into something may be driver/cyclist error; it may not. I think you know that. Advising me and others to hang up our keys if we don't agree with you ( a now familiar tack) may help you vent but does not achieve much else. 

https://www.capbusinessclubs.co.uk/blog/the-funniest-insurance-claims-and-quotes-genuine-scenarios-incorporated-into-a-comic-act-by-jasper-carrott

I assume you and @spider69 are quoting from the hilarious Jasper Carrott sketch about excuses for accidents given to insurance companies.  I crashed into an invisible bollard that aliens had installed, that sort of thing .

[first mate]

Eh? I have never crashed in to a bollard, or been 'done' for speeding unlike some, ahem, posters on here Mal... Sometimes your comments come over as behavioural projection- you know, because you may have behaved in a certain way in the past everyone else must too.

[CPR Dave]

The curbs, that stop cars driving over the pavement, have also been removed on that junction. The whole junction is very badly designed.

[march46]

If only kerbs stopped drivers from mounting the pavement, would be great if they did!

[exdulwicher]

49 minutes ago, CPR Dave said:

The curbs, that stop cars driving over the pavement, have also been removed on that junction. The whole junction is very badly designed.

Not removed as such - there are raised tables (like flattened speed bumps) installed which help both to slow down drivers and to provide a level crossing surface for wheelchair users / buggies etc. Better than dropped kerbs, it essentially raises the road to kerb level so it's a lot easier for pedestrians to negotiate while also providing a clearer visual aspect to drivers. 

And kerbs have never stopped drivers going onto the pavement. If you want to actually stop that you need bollards or guardrails. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

@first mate I can't actually believe you're defending someone driving a car on, or over the pavement, considering your multiple posts raging against this where it applies to people on push bikes. You think it's OK to hit objects on the pavement in a car, but not on a bicycle? What are you talking about?

[alex_b]

I saw someone in a new Volvo SUV this afternoon drive full on into the bollard turning left from Nutbrook into Adys. Their left wheel was at least eighteen inches onto the curb when they hit the bollard!

[the_hermit]

There are multiple bell bollards along turnings on Grove Hill Road.  When I lived up there collisions with them were a regular occurrence (like once every month or two) often turning the cars upside down.  In every case the drivers were being complete idiots and their carelessness clearly a danger to small children and so on.