Next PSC National March for Palestine 11th October 2025 12:00 pm - 4:30 pm Central London

[IlonaM]

Join us on Saturday 11 October in Central London for the next national march for Palestine. Assemble 12noon in Central London.

Link: https://palestinecampaign.org/events/national-demonstration-for-palestine-11-october/

 

[Sue]

I haven't been on a march since the first few, mainly because the strength of feeling seemed  to be falling on totally deaf governmental ears.

However I want to join in this one, partly because of the terrifying number of people who joined the recent right wing march, and partly because of the ridiculous definition of Palestine Action as a terrorist group.

So I shall be making a Plasticine Action sign (being old and tottery and not particularly wishing to be arrested and dragged off and put in a cell).

Is there a group of people going from East Dulwich? I no longer belong to the Labour Party, so I don't want to join that group.

ETA: I just found out there is, so no need to answer the last bit!

Edited yesterday at 09:34 by Sue

[HeadNun]

This is disgusting, given what happened last week. 

The link says "Israel is continuing to intensify its genocide"... there are major peace talks underway and it's possible they might result the end of this current conflict. 

But hey, why let that stop anyone indulging in a bit of Jew hatred on a Saturday afternoon?

Sorry, Sue, I'm fond of you but I can't not say anything on this matter, my blood is boiling and my heart is hurting too much over all the 'nothing to see here' antisemitism in this country. 

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/nhs-surgeon-struck-off-antisemitic-posts-zvwdlv7vq

 

[Sue]

10 minutes ago, HeadNun said:

This is disgusting, given what happened last week. 

The link says "Israel is continuing to intensify its genocide"... there are major peace talks underway and it's possible they might result the end of this current conflict. 

But hey, why let that stop anyone indulging in a bit of Jew hatred on a Saturday afternoon?

Sorry, Sue, I'm fond of you but I can't not say anything on this matter, my blood is boiling and my heart is hurting too much over all the 'nothing to see here' antisemitism in this country. 

But being against what the government in Israel is doing to Palestine is not being anti Jewish people?

I lived with a Jewish man for seven years.

I don't understand. 

It's the same thinking as kills and maims Palestinian people, including children, for what Hamas does.

Jewish friends of mine are going on this march.

Unfortunately there will always be unhinged individual people who perpetrate atrocities, whether associated with particular groups or not.

ETA: And of course there is antisemitism in this country. My ex partner was very aware of it. He couldn't understand why anybody could hate him because of his Jewishness.

But that is a different issue, isn't it?

Edited yesterday at 10:08 by Sue

[HeadNun]

Yes, I hear people saying there are Jews on the march and it's not about Jews it's about Israel etc but I think that's a convenient truth for people who stand side-by-side with other protesters who are patently anti semitic. 

These are people who celebrate Oct 7th and last week's attack on Yom Kippur. 

Tell me there is not on single Jew hater on these protests. And why the protest when serious peace talks are underway? And did you read the article I posted? Do you honestly think that none of those medics have ever been on a pro Palestine march? 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:59 by HeadNun
Removed Palestine action, as I meant to include all pro pal groups

[Sue]

On 07/10/2025 at 11:15, HeadNun said:

Yes, I hear people saying there are Jews on the march and it's not about Jews it's about Israel etc but I think that's a convenient truth for people who stand side-by-side with other protesters who are patently anti semitic. 

These are people who celebrate Oct 7th and last week's attack on Yom Kippur. 

Tell me there is not on single Jew hater on these protests. And why the protest when serious peace talks are underway? And did you read the article I posted? Do you honestly think that none of those medics have ever been on a pro Palestine march? 

 

Sorry, HeadNun, but to say this is a "convenient truth" has made me very angry.

How can I know why other people are on this march? That has nothing to do with me. How can I possibly say there is "not one single Jew hater" on the march?

There will be thousands of people there. There may be people with knives and guns out to make trouble and kill, for all I know. 

There may be groups of flag waving fascists out to make trouble, for all I know.

I may potentially  be putting myself in more danger than if I stayed at home, went to North Cross Road market and the charity shops and had   lunch out with my partner, which is my usual Saturday routine.

I am going for the same reason as I have gone on other marches, to stand up and be seen to stand up for what I believe to be right.

That is important to me, irrespective of why other people are there.

Yes, serious peace talks are underway. And as I understand it, Israel continued  attacking Palestinian civilians  even after the peace talks started.

Unless what I read in the Guardian online  is inaccurate, or if I have misunderstood or misremembered it, which I have no way of knowing.

I can't read the article you posted, because it is behind a paywall unless I agree to certain conditions, which I am not willing to do.

I doubt if it has anything in it which is likely to change anything I have said above, but if you think it will, maybe you could post a precis on here?

Oh, and according to one online source, Channel 4 news reported  that Israel's imports of arms from the UK is at its highest level ever between August and September.

How do you feel about that? 

Edited 24 minutes ago by Sue
Typos

[HeadNun]

An abridged version of the article I posted: 

 

The health secretary is preparing to overhaul medical regulators — the General Medical Council (GMC) and Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service (MPTS) — after being appalled by a series of cases in which doctors have escaped disciplinary action.

Streeting told The Times: “It is clear that the current medical regulatory system is completely failing to protect Jewish patients and NHS staff.”

 

Doctors have been let off after spreading antisemitic tropes including claiming that Britain is “controlled by Jewish supremacy”, and claiming the architect of the attack was a “legend”. Some medics have ramped up their activity in the days after the Manchester synagogue attack.

 

A spokesman for the Campaign Against Antisemitism said: “Time and again, doctors who spew antisemitic bile online and in the streets are being allowed to continue practising medicine, as though calls for hatred and violence are compatible with the duty to care for others.”

 

Doctor who called Jews ‘worse than Nazis’ cleared

Dr Rahmeh Aladwan was investigated over her social media posts, including one that stated that Israelis were “worse” than the Nazis and a claim that the “Royal Free Hospital in London is a Jewish supremacy cesspit”. Since escaping suspension by the MPTS, Aladwan has posted incessantly about Jews and Israel.

 

She suggested the media’s focus on the Manchester synagogue attack was an example of “Jewish supremacism”. The day after the attack Aladwan shared an image of Britain’s chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, with the words “rabbi genocide” emblazoned on his forehead. On Saturday, she tweeted: “Glory to the Palestinian armed resistance. Death to ‘Israel’.”

Aladwan has been a member of the proscribed group Palestine Action, and has shared claims that Streeting is a “Zionist ghoul” funded by “the genocidal ‘Israel’ lobby”.

At a rally earlier this year, she said that “Palestinian people who are fighting for liberation, including armed struggle” are “heroes, every single one of them”.

“We are proud of our armed resistance and in Islam we call that jihad. That’s an honour. That’s how you defend your people,” she added.

 

The MPTS ruled that no suspension was necessary, arguing her comments would not “alarm or concern” members of the public. 

 

On Monday night, the CAA announced that it had notified the GMC of its intent to challenge the decision not to impose the condition on Aladwan while she is under investigation.

It said that her case was “one of the most egregious examples we have encountered of a regulator failing in its duty to protect the public”.

 

One of Aladwan’s key supporters is Dr Rehiana Ali, a consultant neurologist who was reinstated by a medical tribunal this year after describing the architect of the October 7 attacks as a “legend”, calling for Israel to be “dismantled”, and claiming that 9/11 was conducted by Mossad.

 

Ali has made several controversial comments in the wake of the Manchester synagogue terrorist attack, and has claimed that Streeting was an “Israeli puppet”.

On October 4, she quoted a post calling for Israel to be abolished and claiming that Hamas had “done nothing to apologise for”, adding: “Agree 100%.” On October 2, about eight hours before the attack, she quoted the same post and said: “Armed resistance is the only solution.”

 

Ali defended her comments and told The Times that she did not believe in Israel’s right to exist. She said: “It is outrageous that the CAA weaponises an unfortunate incident to continue its defamatory attacks on doctors with a moral conscience for political ends.”

Hundreds of complaints over antisemitic doctors

Nearly 500 complaints of antisemitism relating to 123 doctors have been submitted to the GMC since the Hamas attacks on October 7, 2023. Of these, 84 per cent were closed at the triage stage, according to figures obtained by Jewish News in July.

The rare cases where complaints have led to disciplinary action include that of Dr Manoj Sen, an NHS surgeon. Last month he was struck off for making a string of antisemitic social media comments, including referring to a Jewish man as “circumcised vermin”.

 

The doctor, who was working as a surgeon at Northwick Park Hospital in London, commented on a Facebook post shortly after the October 7 attacks, using the word “untermenschen” — German for subhuman — as well as the phrases “Jewish c***” and “Jew boy”. Sen also referred to the Auschwitz concentration camp along with the German phrase “Die Juden sind unsere Ungluck”, meaning “the Jews are our misfortune”.

 

Others have escaped serious sanctions after being reported for antisemitism. In February, Dr Kamran Ahmed, a Wolverhampton-based GP, was not struck off but given a formal warning after posting material described by the GMC as “objectively antisemitic and seriously offensive”. This included sharing a post which said: “The Israeli flag is modern-day swastika”.

Dr Ellen Kriesels, a consultant paediatrician at Whittington Hospital, remains on the GMC register despite spending months making openly making racist claims. On her X account, Kriesels has claimed that “virtually every Jew has some feelings of supremacy”.

The Whittington Health Trust has previously said that it was investigating and that Kriesels was not working.

 

 

Jewish doctors ‘are afraid at work’

Jewish doctors have warned that the institutional failures to tackle antisemitism extend to the British Medical Association (BMA). Those attending the BMA’s annual conference in June warned that they “feared for their safety”. 

 

There have been widespread reports of antisemitic incidents in hospitals. In August, the University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust issued an apology over posters claiming “Zionism is Poison”. A Jewish patient who was undergoing major tests at the hospital and felt “angry, distressed and upset” after seeing some of the posters, adding: “I shouldn’t have to remove my Star of David necklace to go to a hospital visit.”

Concerns have been raised at at least two NHS trusts about staff wearing pro-Palestine symbols, such as lanyards in the design of a keffiyeh and badges that say “Free Palestine”.

I don't have any skin in the game with what's happening in the Middle East (most likely like many on this forum) and I stand by my clearly stated opinion on other threads that neither Hamas, nor Israel, has clean hands. 

What I do care about is what happens on British soil and the idea of any ethnic group in this country - with its supposed history of tolerance and inclusion - being afraid for their lives. 

There can be little doubt that the rhetoric of many on these marches fuels the killing that we saw last week. 

Don't share a platform with anti Semites. 

If you care so much about a community being starved, abused, bombed and oppressed, why not march for Ukraine (where we do have skin in the game), or the 150,000 blacks murdered in Sudan as well?

It makes no sense to me. 

 

 

[Sue]

3 hours ago, HeadNun said:

An abridged version of the article I posted: 

 

The health secretary is preparing to overhaul medical regulators — the General Medical Council (GMC) and Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service (MPTS) — after being appalled by a series of cases in which doctors have escaped disciplinary action.

Streeting told The Times: “It is clear that the current medical regulatory system is completely failing to protect Jewish patients and NHS staff.”

 

Doctors have been let off after spreading antisemitic tropes including claiming that Britain is “controlled by Jewish supremacy”, and claiming the architect of the attack was a “legend”. Some medics have ramped up their activity in the days after the Manchester synagogue attack.

 

A spokesman for the Campaign Against Antisemitism said: “Time and again, doctors who spew antisemitic bile online and in the streets are being allowed to continue practising medicine, as though calls for hatred and violence are compatible with the duty to care for others.”

 

Doctor who called Jews ‘worse than Nazis’ cleared

Dr Rahmeh Aladwan was investigated over her social media posts, including one that stated that Israelis were “worse” than the Nazis and a claim that the “Royal Free Hospital in London is a Jewish supremacy cesspit”. Since escaping suspension by the MPTS, Aladwan has posted incessantly about Jews and Israel.

 

She suggested the media’s focus on the Manchester synagogue attack was an example of “Jewish supremacism”. The day after the attack Aladwan shared an image of Britain’s chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, with the words “rabbi genocide” emblazoned on his forehead. On Saturday, she tweeted: “Glory to the Palestinian armed resistance. Death to ‘Israel’.”

Aladwan has been a member of the proscribed group Palestine Action, and has shared claims that Streeting is a “Zionist ghoul” funded by “the genocidal ‘Israel’ lobby”.

At a rally earlier this year, she said that “Palestinian people who are fighting for liberation, including armed struggle” are “heroes, every single one of them”.

“We are proud of our armed resistance and in Islam we call that jihad. That’s an honour. That’s how you defend your people,” she added.

 

The MPTS ruled that no suspension was necessary, arguing her comments would not “alarm or concern” members of the public. 

 

On Monday night, the CAA announced that it had notified the GMC of its intent to challenge the decision not to impose the condition on Aladwan while she is under investigation.

It said that her case was “one of the most egregious examples we have encountered of a regulator failing in its duty to protect the public”.

 

One of Aladwan’s key supporters is Dr Rehiana Ali, a consultant neurologist who was reinstated by a medical tribunal this year after describing the architect of the October 7 attacks as a “legend”, calling for Israel to be “dismantled”, and claiming that 9/11 was conducted by Mossad.

 

Ali has made several controversial comments in the wake of the Manchester synagogue terrorist attack, and has claimed that Streeting was an “Israeli puppet”.

On October 4, she quoted a post calling for Israel to be abolished and claiming that Hamas had “done nothing to apologise for”, adding: “Agree 100%.” On October 2, about eight hours before the attack, she quoted the same post and said: “Armed resistance is the only solution.”

 

Ali defended her comments and told The Times that she did not believe in Israel’s right to exist. She said: “It is outrageous that the CAA weaponises an unfortunate incident to continue its defamatory attacks on doctors with a moral conscience for political ends.”

Hundreds of complaints over antisemitic doctors

Nearly 500 complaints of antisemitism relating to 123 doctors have been submitted to the GMC since the Hamas attacks on October 7, 2023. Of these, 84 per cent were closed at the triage stage, according to figures obtained by Jewish News in July.

The rare cases where complaints have led to disciplinary action include that of Dr Manoj Sen, an NHS surgeon. Last month he was struck off for making a string of antisemitic social media comments, including referring to a Jewish man as “circumcised vermin”.

 

The doctor, who was working as a surgeon at Northwick Park Hospital in London, commented on a Facebook post shortly after the October 7 attacks, using the word “untermenschen” — German for subhuman — as well as the phrases “Jewish c***” and “Jew boy”. Sen also referred to the Auschwitz concentration camp along with the German phrase “Die Juden sind unsere Ungluck”, meaning “the Jews are our misfortune”.

 

Others have escaped serious sanctions after being reported for antisemitism. In February, Dr Kamran Ahmed, a Wolverhampton-based GP, was not struck off but given a formal warning after posting material described by the GMC as “objectively antisemitic and seriously offensive”. This included sharing a post which said: “The Israeli flag is modern-day swastika”.

Dr Ellen Kriesels, a consultant paediatrician at Whittington Hospital, remains on the GMC register despite spending months making openly making racist claims. On her X account, Kriesels has claimed that “virtually every Jew has some feelings of supremacy”.

The Whittington Health Trust has previously said that it was investigating and that Kriesels was not working.

 

 

Jewish doctors ‘are afraid at work’

Jewish doctors have warned that the institutional failures to tackle antisemitism extend to the British Medical Association (BMA). Those attending the BMA’s annual conference in June warned that they “feared for their safety”. 

 

There have been widespread reports of antisemitic incidents in hospitals. In August, the University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust issued an apology over posters claiming “Zionism is Poison”. A Jewish patient who was undergoing major tests at the hospital and felt “angry, distressed and upset” after seeing some of the posters, adding: “I shouldn’t have to remove my Star of David necklace to go to a hospital visit.”

Concerns have been raised at at least two NHS trusts about staff wearing pro-Palestine symbols, such as lanyards in the design of a keffiyeh and badges that say “Free Palestine”.

I don't have any skin in the game with what's happening in the Middle East (most likely like many on this forum) and I stand by my clearly stated opinion on other threads that neither Hamas, nor Israel, has clean hands. 

What I do care about is what happens on British soil and the idea of any ethnic group in this country - with its supposed history of tolerance and inclusion - being afraid for their lives. 

There can be little doubt that the rhetoric of many on these marches fuels the killing that we saw last week. 

Don't share a platform with anti Semites. 

If you care so much about a community being starved, abused, bombed and oppressed, why not march for Ukraine (where we do have skin in the game), or the 150,000 blacks murdered in Sudan as well?

It makes no sense to me. 

 

 

I don't know how the law works, nor what rules cover what doctors can and can't say in their professional and private (?personal?) capacities,  but on the face of it I agree that some of the comments quoted are unacceptable, to say the least.

However, in the context of the subject of this thread,  I think it is important to differentiate between antisemitism ("hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people") and hostility to  the Israeli government's apparent attempted genocide of Palestinian civilians in retribution for the appalling attack on Israeli civilians by Hamas.

I might be completely wrong here, and naive, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am, but it seems to me to be as if the English government had started trying to annihilate the whole of the  Irish population because of the IRA bombings in the nineties.

I also realise that there is a whole historic background to the Palestine/Israel thing, but I am not familiar with it.

Anyway, I and everyone I know who has taken part in any of the recent marches has done so to try to get our government to stop supporting genocide, not because they are antisemitic.

And yes there are other awful things going on in the world, and always have been. I can't fight all of them. One of my brothers has taken in three generations of  a Ukrainian family.

ETA: Do you really think it is OK to refer to people as "blacks"? Or am I wrong about that as well, and there is some reason why it is acceptable?

Edited 12 hours ago by Sue

[Sue]

To the best of my knowledge, our government is still supplying weapons to Israel, which presumably are amongst those being used to kill these children.

Plus used to kill  thousands of innocent adults whose only crime is to have the misfortune to live in Gaza.

And that is not including the thousands of adults and children who have been maimed or are dead or dying from starvation. Or dying from lack of medical care because hospitals have been destroyed and medics killed.

How do you feel about that?

Edited 2 hours ago by Sue
Adding information

[Sydney Carton]

11 hours ago, Sue said:

I also realise that there is a whole historic background to the Palestine/Israel thing, but I am not familiar with it.

Perhaps you should be

[Sue]

2 minutes ago, Sydney Carton said:

Perhaps you should be

Perhaps I should. Perhaps you could explain it to me. There are many things in the world I don't know.

In what way do you think it would affect anything I have said on here about my reasons for going on the march on Saturday?

Why out of all I have said have you picked out that one sentence? Would you like to respond to my other points?

Edited 2 hours ago by Sue

[sjsl]

In support of Sue, I don't see that the very long article about some appalling examples of antisemitism in medicine has any relevance to her choice to march on Saturday. Wanting to stop the killing of innocent civilians is hardly antisemitic. I was appalled that Shabana Mahmood called last weekends protest in Trafalgar Square un-British, I can't think of anything more British that sitting in silent vigil with people of all ages and faiths to call for freedom of speech on this matter. It didn't mean people weren't horrified by the Manchester attack, or the events on 7 October.

[Angelina]

well said