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CPR Dave said "Our government doesn't make or sell any arms at all to anyone". His link highlights that the gvmt has issued licences to UK companies who manufacture and export components and software to other nations. It's not like the government has a bomb making department and is shipping them straight to Israel.

His link also illustrates that UK sales to other nations make us complicit in plenty of other unpleasant conflicts. But this hasn't given rise to other mass demonstrations. 

I doubt anyone on here is a supporter of Netanyahu and his cronies, but it's always worth bearing in mind that Israel has been instrumental in keeping us safe from Iran, who orchestrated this wave of the middle east conflict. But there are, of course, no anti Iran protests, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc 

 

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Sue

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3 hours ago, CPR Dave said:

Our government doesn't make or sell any arms at all to anyone. 

?????

Obviously there isn't a weapon making factory at Westminster. 

And your response to my other questions?

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CPR Dave

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They aren't really relevant. 

This protest is purportedly against our government's involvement arming Israel.

Our government doesn't sellweapons and Israel is no longer at war with Hamas.

So the protest is pointless. The only reason to attend now is to intimidate / antagonise / express hatred towards Jews.

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CPR Dave

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Excel hosts fairs for various businesses selling all sorts of things week in, week out. 

 

For example, next week it is "Salon Interntional".  No doubt there will be UK businesses exhibiting there who donate tax receipts to the UK government from sales of shampoo to people who live in Israel. Does that cause you outrage?

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TomSE22

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9 hours ago, HeadNun said:

CPR Dave said "Our government doesn't make or sell any arms at all to anyone". His link highlights that the gvmt has issued licences to UK companies who manufacture and export components and software to other nations. It's not like the government has a bomb making department and is shipping them straight to Israel.

His link also illustrates that UK sales to other nations make us complicit in plenty of other unpleasant conflicts. But this hasn't given rise to other mass demonstrations. 

I doubt anyone on here is a supporter of Netanyahu and his cronies, but it's always worth bearing in mind that Israel has been instrumental in keeping us safe from Iran, who orchestrated this wave of the middle east conflict. But there are, of course, no anti Iran protests, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc 

 

Keeping us safe from Iran by bombing them while they were negotiating a nuclear non-proliferation treaty with the US? 
 

Have you ever been threatened by Iran as a Brit?

Sue

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7 hours ago, CPR Dave said:

They aren't really relevant. 

This protest is purportedly against our government's involvement arming Israel.

Our government doesn't sellweapons and Israel is no longer at war with Hamas.

So the protest is pointless. The only reason to attend now is to intimidate / antagonise / express hatred towards Jews.

I think they are relevant.

So would you like to answer them?

And also explain your last sentence above? How exactly would going on the march now  "intimidate/antagonise/express hatred towards Jews"?

Do you think the Jewish people on the march are there to express hatred against themselves?

Apeks

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12 hours ago, Sue said:

Do you think the Jewish people on the march are there to express hatred against themselves?

They can't answer this Sue, it baffles their brains.

They also think selling arms and selling shampoo are comparable so it's fairly pointless engaging in this thread anymore. 

Angelina

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Trump is after a Nobel peace prize; the paradox of USA providing arms and seeking accolade when they stop. Very heated debate on the radio about this. 

There are so many contradictions within this that don't make sense.

IlonaM

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42 minutes ago, Angelina said:

Trump is after a Nobel peace prize...

He didn't get it! Huge sigh of relief.

Giving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize would tarnish its repution and irreparably harm its credibility. He personifies everything that Nobel Peace Laureates are not. You only need to see what he is doing to his own citizens and to some of the most vulnerable members of our world community.

 
Angelina

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2 minutes ago, IlonaM said:

He didn't get it! Huge sigh of relief.

Giving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize would tarnish its repution and irreparably harm its credibility. He personifies everything that Nobel Peace Laureates are not. You only need to see what he is doing to his own citizens and to some of the most vulnerable members of our world community.

 

I think it the peace deal was a bit late for him to be considered this year - but it's on the cards for next year - hence the debates about it. Very strong opinions in each direction, depending on where you stand on the entire thing.

IlonaM

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7 minutes ago, Angelina said:

I think it the peace deal was a bit late for him to be considered this year - but it's on the cards for next year - hence the debates about it. Very strong opinions in each direction, depending on where you stand on the entire thing.

He has been lobbying hard for the past few years for the Peace Prize. To date he has failed every time. 

Now we have Starmer the Appeaser suggesting he should get it for the Gaza deal. Far too early to talk about a lasting peace and, given the deliberate delays by Trump and the West and the horrendous harm caused, Trump is not Nobel Laureate material. 

Zelensky is trying the carrot trick - I'll nominate Trump for the Nobel if he stops Russia - desperate but dangerous.

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Jenijenjen

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4 minutes ago, IlonaM said:

 

Now we have Starmer the Appeaser suggesting he should get it for the Gaza deal. Far too early to talk about a lasting peace and, given the deliberate delays by Trump and the West and the horrendous harm caused, Trump is not Nobel Laureate material. 

Agree

But neither is he President of the USA material. And look what's happened. Twice.

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IlonaM

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Just now, Jenijenjen said:

Agree

But neither is he President of the USA material. And look what's happened. Twice.

Ha!!! Quite! But hopefully the Nobel Committee have their heads screwed on and are immune to the Big Orange Head!

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IlonaM

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Yes, I've been waiting for his throwing the dummy out of he pram response. Maybe he didn't stay up for the announcement, or his staff are delaying telling him??!!!

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No surprise here from Netanyahu:

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1 hour ago, IlonaM said:

Yes, I've been waiting for his throwing the dummy out of he pram response. Maybe he didn't stay up for the announcement, or his staff are delaying telling him??!!!

Oh-oh, Trump's woken up

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/trump-nobel-peace-prize-reaction

"White House slams Trump’s perceived Nobel peace prize snub as ‘politics over peace’

President has ‘heart of humanitarian’, spokesperson says after unsuccessful bid for prize amid Gaza ceasefire deal"

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