Is Starmer soon to be toast?

[vladi]

Looks like current Chinese spying fiasco is going to fester on further now that the White House has come down hard with  criticism.

This follows on from the Chagos  debacle where the UK has committed to giving up these strategic islands whilst paying out £101 million per annum to lease them back from Mauritius ( a staunch China ally) for next 100 years.

The other on-going festering sore is approval for the proposed huge new Chinese embassy at the old Royal Mint site close to tower Bridge. Despite objections from MI5, this massive development in inner London is likely to be approved as a goodwill "gift" to Xi when Starmer visits China later this year. In return, Xi will probably release Jimmy Lai from prison.

It begs the question - just why do we kowtow to China?

 

[Spartacus]

Taking this to the extremes, if Starmer steps down as PM, who would be best to step into the role?

This could be different to who would put themselves forward as the better options may not come forward. 

The grass may not be greener over the fence!

[vladi]

To many Starmer comes across as weak, indecisive a lacking a plan. The complete opposite of a conviction politician. 
He can overcome these perceptions by  having a clear foreign policy and staunchly safeguarding Britain's standing in the world. So far he has alienated our closest ally over the Chagos and the two traitors spying for China.

The word on the street is that the leadership void has been filled by Johnathan Powell and that Starmer  does everything Powell says. Powell should be sacked as his  links to China go back 3 decades during which he was a frequent visitor and meeting senior Chinese officials. The other connection is through his brother -Lord Powell who was chairman of the China-Britain Business Council. Both Powells are members of the 48 Group Club whose stated aim is to "connect China to the world"

Has  Starmer got the guts to clear out the Augean stables?

[malumbu]

Even Dories agreed that we have to maintain diplomatic relations with China rather than label them as a threat.  I don't care about Chagos, beyond that decision should have been made years ago.  He does pretty well with Trump, so give him some credit.

I doubt if there is anyone in the position to take his place, as personable as Burnham is he failed in the past and is not the answer.  Just accept that you have Starmer for till the end of term.  More important to those that would not have Faridge as our next PM, still two thirds, is making the next few years work, or at the least doing well enough that we can have a centre left coalition to prevent Faridge becoming PM..

[Molly26]

Deliberate and childish spelling mistake ?

[Jenijenjen]

It's become a bit of a meme or is it a trope

[Sephiroth]

So this is all coming down to Trump crying and some wet British  people with bees in their bonnets about starmer  saying we must do what he wants? 

Trump is not the same as “our closest ally”

he is in fact the opposite of an ally. He and farage and Russia are what we need to be fearful of. Not china at this moment in time 

 

appeasement doesn’t work 

Edited 6 hours ago by Sephiroth

[vladi]

2 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

appeasement doesn’t work 

So why then are we appeasing China at every step?

Now to get back to my OP and close off the tangent you introduced on Trump, let me state clearly I am no fan of his. He is unstable, unpredictable, misogynistic, dishonest, spiteful and a consummate liar. Oh, not to mention he is a convicted felon. Hopefully, as I predicted previously he will not live to see out his term.

[jazzer]

 

[Sephiroth]

Part of it will be U.K.s place in the world

out of the EU, dealing with sociopaths in us government.  It can ill afford to have a complete falling out with china 

but who knows   Mostly what we are reading is the usually shadowy stuff from, shall we say, vested interests against Labour, without an awful lot by way of substance 

 

[mrwb]

The Chagos deal was done by the last government and they just paused it 6 months before the election as it was obv political dynamite. 

[Sephiroth]

Once again. Worth repeating - it’s not that Labour can’t  or shouldn’t be criticised 

but the reaction to everything being “is this the end for starmer?” Is such a symptom of a broken countr. He isn’t very good but he isn’t behaving in any outrageous ways, and we haven’t had 3 Labour leaders in between an election - so calling for one or saying the leader should be replaced is just hysterical 

 

the Tories record in power since Brexit has broken people’s minds 

[vladi]

13 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

Once again. Worth repeating - it’s not that Labour can’t  or shouldn’t be criticised 

but the reaction to everything being “is this the end for starmer?” Is such a symptom of a broken countr. He isn’t very good but he isn’t behaving in any outrageous ways, and we haven’t had 3 Labour leaders in between an election - so calling for one or saying the leader should be replaced is just hysterical 

I think Labour can be much better. It's just that Starmer is so indecisive and boring. He has no presence, no  charisma and no strategy. Also no vision of what he wants Britain to aspire to. 

He is being led by the nose by Jonathan Powell - a Sinophile.

I would prefer John Healy or McFadden - they are much better communicators. They can think on their feet and that's something Sir Keir seems unable to do.