Cyclist visibility

[Rockets]

16 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Are you trying to pretend that your having less sympathy with those hit by a car, are only in reference to those hit by a car and not injured? Because being hit by a car will injure you. Think you're rather unsubtly trying to row back what you've said.

No I am not I am pointing out that you are putting words into my mouth and then trying to take us down a rat hole when I challenge you on it. It happens every single time anyone tries to debate something/anything with you.

14 minutes ago, exdulwicher said:

Oh please don't go down that "give others a bad name" nonsense.

Why not? That's how reputation's are built and wrecked. As a cyclist who obeys the rules and is mindful and considerate to other road users (and actually knows the rules and guidance in relation to cyclists) it is of enormous frustration to me that I see growing numbers of cyclists who care not one jot for any other road users, who put themselves and others in harm's way because of their selfish attitude to the way they cycle. No-one notices the good behaviour only the bad.

18 minutes ago, exdulwicher said:

What you're doing is a form of outgrouping leading to the over-generalisation of negative behaviours or attributes. 

No I am not, I think I am reflecting the general perception towards cyclists which is being dictated by the growing bad behaviour by many cyclists. Some may be happy to to put their heads in the sand and defend cyclists and bad and inconsiderate cycling (after all cars kill far more people than cyclists - which seems to be the mitigation offered by many) but the perception is growing amongst the wider (probably non-cycling - given some cyclists seem to be a bit selective about what they see) public that there is a problem with cycling. It's a bit like estate agents - there are good estate agents but their reputation has been tarnished.

If you want to see the manifestation of how bad things can get go to downtown Amsterdam where the frustration and anger towards cyclists is palpable. Closer to home it is interesting that the Mayor is closing Oxford Street West (a huge swathe of Oxford Street between Great Portland Street and Orchard Street) to cyclists as well as vehicles - clearly they don't want to mix pedestrians and cyclists. Why might that be? 

 

[Raeburn]

Rockets; you couldn’t be more wrong. Amsterdam functions wonderfully with so many people cycling harmoniously alongside all other modes of transport, including walking, driving, micromobility, and trams. I say this because I’m typing this now from Amsterdam, and have been admiring how lovely the city is because of the integration of all transport. 

 

[Rockets]

@Raeburn we will agree to disagree on that one - anywhere inside Singelgracht is a nightmare for pedestrians. Granted everything works nicely the further out of the city you get but inside it is an utter nightmare - it's why Amsterdam is looking at banning certain types of bikes from bike paths in the city (e-bikes, cargo bikes etc).

[snowy]

We've been through this. Amsterdam and other dutch cities are not looking to ban ebikes. They’re looking to move things like e-cargo bikes used for logistics onto the main roads. 
 

they're also looking to move faster cycles / fatbikes and scooters to the main roads so bike paths are available to all users.
 

Subsidies for cargo bikes from the government increased there in 2025. 

[exdulwicher]

12 hours ago, Raeburn said:

Rockets; you couldn’t be more wrong. 

Can we just make this a standard automatic response?!

[Raeburn]

‘downtown Amsterdam where the frustration and anger towards cyclists is palpable‘

‘anywhere inside Singelgracht is a nightmare for pedestrians‘

???

Utter nonsense Rockets.
 

I had a nice 30-minute run around the area yesterday morning, in ‘rush hour’. People going to work, young people going to school, deliveries being made to businesses, all forms of transport. It was all very pleasant, and I’m writing that as a pedestrian. Nothing could be further from what you have written. Why are you making this stuff up?

Very possible that cargo bikes are being ‘banned’ from cycle lanes in Singelgracht because private car access is being phased out, leaving road space available for alternative delivery modes.

 

edit; didn’t see Snowy’s reply while I was writing mine, appreciated @snowy

Edited 5 hours ago by Raeburn
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[Rockets]

2 hours ago, Raeburn said:

Utter nonsense Rockets.

We will agree to disagree on that one....

Downtown Amsterdam is the thing of cycle nightmares.

2 hours ago, Raeburn said:

Very possible that cargo bikes are being ‘banned’ from cycle lanes in Singelgracht because private car access is being phased out, leaving road space available for alternative delivery modes.

@Raeburn let me explain - Singelgracht is one of the main canals (so I doubt any bikes or cars will be using that! ;-)) and I was using that to say anything the other side of it towards the city is a nightmare. The other side is ok. 

Additionally, the potential banning of e-bikes, cargo bikes, fat tyre bikes etc in bike lanes is being considered for the whole of Amsterdam - in fact a number of cities in the Netherlands are considering similar bans.

2 hours ago, exdulwicher said:

15 hours ago, Raeburn said:

Rockets; you couldn’t be more wrong. 

Can we just make this a standard automatic response?!

If only it were true of course and not just a knee-jerk response anytime anyone reads something I post that they don't agree with! 😉

 

[Raeburn]

Singelgracht area then. Whatever.

 

 

[Rockets]

Imagine Singelgracht like a ring-road canal that encircles the inner city - it has an entrance/exit to both the north and the south of the city. My reference to that was that the area within the Singelgracht canal - the actual inner-city, is a nightmare because of cyclists. Outside of it everything works well but inside it is a cycle nightmare.

[Raeburn]

Yes, I understood you Rockets - apologies I didn’t use the correct term, but it was clear what I meant (why do you have to argue with everything?).

I ran around the area, both inside and out, and it seemed very civilised to me. Yes, there is a difference between sides of the canal, but no nightmares or  ‘palpable anger’ that you claim is prevalent in the inner area.

I’m sure you’ll reply with some tenuous blog/article/video of an annoyed person/local/tourist, but google doesn’t turn up much at all, so it’s clearly not the major problem you claim it to be. You seem actively mis-informed and/or willingly ignorant, yet again.