Cyclist visibility

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, first mate said:

But surely it is obvious the issues that can arise if it is not easy to tell the difference between the two, where an illegal e-bike looks very similar to a legal one? How are you supposed to police this? I don't really get why you are nitpicking this point?

Spot on @first mate - with a subtle tweak to the throttle or the bike's computer a fatbike can be turned from a Fiets to a Snorfiets to a Bromfiets category without anyone being able to tell - it's why the Dutch police have invested so much in those mobile treadmill things all over the country to determine what category of bike it is based on it's maximum speed. They cannot tell by looking at it. And to be honest it is probably why they are favoured by Dutch teenagers as you can buy one perfectly legally and very quickly modify it to go really fast. A similar thing happens over here where some E-bike conversion kits come with a keyfob which controls the maximum power output - one click and you're within legal limits another click (which you will only ever use when you're offroad of course) and you're Warp factor 9. 

5 minutes ago, malumbu said:

As I've posted before for most of the population it is easy to distinguish an illegal e-bike - speed and no, or limited, pedaling.  Many don;t even look like a conventional bike.  Really don't understand how you can confuse a legal bike with a powered two wheeler.

I refer my right honourable friend to my previous post.....the Dutch fatbike is a classic example where speed may be the only obvious indicator.

7 minutes ago, malumbu said:

Meanwhile as said before if it quacks like a duck.....

...it's a bike? 😉

[Earl Aelfheah]

What point do you think you're making here?

If we accept your (ridiculous) assertion, that all "two wheeled contraptions" are the same and should be regulated accordingly; That there is a "need for more stringent laws about what you can and can't do on a bicycle" - then what? It implies that you think bicycles should all be regulated as though they're illegally modified electric powered bikes ('mopeds' as they're designated in UK law).

This is just a load of pedantic nonsense.

Again, what exactly is it you're calling for?

[malumbu]

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[first mate]

@Earl Aelfheah the idea that you are not allowed to articulate a potential problem unless you have the solution is what is truly ridiculous and is what you seem to be suggesting here.

The first stage is some agreement that there is a growing problem; the challenge is in identification and policing. 

[Rockets]

@first mate it’s nothing more than a distraction technique - deployed in almost every discussion anytime the debate and facts turn against them. Odd but predictable behaviour.